Found this post from the NGVAC blog, and had to tear it apart!
There is no good argument for the use of assault-type weaponry from a sport shooter’s perspective. Those who use and enjoy firearms for hunting and target shooting, do not choose assault-style, semi-automatic weapons, due to their inherent inaccuracy.
Assault rifles are designed for shooting a high volume of rounds in a very short amount of time. This is true for both automatic military assault rifles, as well as semi-automatic assault rifles available to the public. High volume rapid shooting is inherently inaccurate based on the mechanics of these types of guns, the design of their cartridges and the physical abilities of shooters. Accuracy levels needed for target shooting and hunting are of no importance in military use. The military requires multiple bullets hitting a target in a short period of time. Where the bullets hit is less important than hitting and incapacitating an adversary. Hunters almost all the time fire only one bullet to down their prey.
WOW, so much in there! First up, let’s put the big point down first. The 2nd Amendment, and the reason we must protect our gun rights is NOT to shoot ducks and deer. Still there isn’t anything in that whole paragraph that is true. True Assault rifles aren’t designed to get the highest fire down range, they’re designed to shoot quickly, accurately, and be able to lay down covering fire for other troops. The semi-auto variants simply get rid of the full-auto or burst capability. The guns are still amazingly accurate, hence why you see so many AR-15s on the Camp Perry line shooting out to 1,000 Meters.
And hunters only fire one shot? Odd that there are very few popular single-shot hunting rifles out there. Just about everything carried in the field has 3-5 round magazines. Even the most skilled hunters miss, or need a second shot, And that’s assuming your hunting game that is solitary:
Also even if the “Where the bullets hit” nonsense was true, incapacitating the enemy is the core tenant in self-defense. If I break my opponent’s pelvis and they are taken out of the fight that’s a good shoot!
In combat stress conditions, achievement of accuracy by the shooter is greatly diminished. Quantity compensates for inaccuracy in stopping and killing the target, a human being. Military M16 rifles have a setting allowing only 3 shots to be shot automatically at a time. This was done by the military with the understanding of human capabilities. Rapid fire of 3 rounds and more, in as many seconds, has no purpose for a hunter or target shooter.
First If I remember correctly, the 3-round burst on M-16s and M4s in service have mostly been removed in recent years, so there go your facts again. But what the hell are you talking about? Are you claiming that full-auto rifles are being used for hunting? That’s how that reads to me.
Rapid fire physically disallows accurate shooting from both the perspective of the shooter and the gun. Only highly trained sharpshooters can shoot accurately one round every 2 seconds, and with no more than 10 rounds. This is done with non-assault style guns, which are designed for accuracy, shooting in a controlled environment. NRA sanctioned, high power rifle competition matches, using long barrels 22 to 24 inches in length, do not require more than 10 rounds be shot in 60 seconds, and only highly practiced shooters attain scores exceeding 90% in doing this on a repeated basis. Average human reflexes and body dynamics cannot exceed this skill level.
Your argument is invalid. According to this idiot, what you just saw was Hollywood trickery!
Design of the gun’s mechanism to accomplish this affects the accuracy of the gun. Guns designed for accuracy insure the placement of the cartridge in the breech of the gun (firing position at the beginning of the barrel) in the same place every time within tight tolerances. Semi-automatic, assault-style guns are incapable of doing this, otherwise reloading and discharging would be greatly impaired.
I wonder what else he’s an “Expert” in….
Assault style rifles also typically have shorter barrel lengths. This was done to make the gun lighter for infantry troops, and for maneuverability in jungle and similar contained conditions. The original military M16 assault rifles were first used in Vietnam. Here again simple physics apply to their accuracy. The longer the barrel the more accurate the gun. Longer barrel length better stabilizes the trajectory of the bullet. Typical hunting and target shooting rifles have barrel lengths of 20 to 24 inches. Again, hunters and target shooters look for accuracy.
Well first, yeah shorter, lighter, and more maneuverable guns are the name of the game for defensive arms as well as military weapons. Still love all the technical details that aren’t necessarily true. Yes, a longer barrel will give you more velocity and bullet stabilization….but longer barrels also are more prone to “barrel whip” which kills accuracy. A shorter barrel can indeed be MORE accurate.
It should also be noted that the 5.56x45mm cartridge cannot be effectively used for deer hunting, especially in a short-barreled, less-than-accurate weapon. The bullet is not as affective (ability to kill the animal humanely) as larger and heavier bullets and cartridges.
The 5.56x45mm is much too powerful when used on small animals, as there is too much destruction.
If you’re varminting, and you’re not collecting pelts, who cares? Killing pest animals to preserve your land, your crops, and your livestock, you don’t care how many pieces the end in.
After all, the 5.56x45mm was designed to kill humans. Here’s why.
It was designed for the bullet to impact a person at high velocity and on contact yaw (wobble) and fragment simultaneously. That is, do as much tissue destruction as possible combined with hydrostatic incapacitation to the nervous system.
The 5.56x45mm cartridge and the corresponding semi-automatic guns used to shoot it, are designed specifically for killing humans, and are inappropriate and ineffective for precision target shooting and humane hunting purposes.
Well good, KILLING PEOPLE IS LEGAL under the proper circumstances. It can be a criminal act…but so can killing deer out of season, so that’s moot as well. Also again, if 5.56 semi-autos are inappropriate for target shooting, why do so many nationally ranked target shooters use them?
There is therefore no need for high volume weapons in sport shooting. Anything more than 10 rounds shot from a semi-automatic gun is not needed. If a hunter cannot down his prey in 3 shots, it’s too late and the animal has gotten away. Hunters also never shoot multiple animals in very short periods of time. For personal protection purposes, if more than 10 rounds are needed to stop one or more assailants, it’s too late for the weapon to be any further affective.
So police shouldn’t use 10+ round magazines either? I mean if they can’t take down an assailant in 10 rounds, those 17 rounds in their Glock are pointless, as are the 30 rounds in their “Patrol Rifle”…let alone the spare magazines they carry!
As a further aside, it is interesting that shot guns used for shooting ducks and geese are federally mandated to hold no more than 3 shells. There has been no movement to repeal that.
This is the biggest head-scratcher for me. I know there are regulations where a magazine needs to be limited for hunting…but in shotguns this is usually limited with a removable plug. You can pull the plug and there is no law you’re breaking. WTF is he talking about?
Still, there is a LOT of talk about hunting and target shooting. Why? If you want to target shoot or hunt, do it with whatever gun you want that is legal for the hunt. Hunting is a game, and games have rules.
Self-defense isn’t a game, and the only rules you need to play with is the standard self-defense rules that apply as much to your fists as your rifle. Beyond that, better to have good guns and good magazines.
Funny that these fools are still beating this drum.