Joan had another manic moment, and in there lies GLORY!
Trying to talk over the noise and over discuss or over intellectualize also leads to trouble. So we just need to get through this time and muck through the tough parts and get to a good place at the end. We have not had this discussion because everyone has been afraid to even mention it for fear of the wrath and undue influence of the pro-gun lobbyists. But in the end, saving lives is what everyone wants. It’s just how we get there that is causing way too much angst. The thing is, the angst is misplaced. There is real angst in Newtown, Connecticut. There is real angst in Aurora, Colorado and in Minneapolis, Minnesota and for the many families and friends trying to live around the hole caused by the violent death of a loved one.
That’s the truth there, we both want a safer America, we just differ with the methods.
What is everyone so afraid of? I am afraid that too many lives are being lost every day and that public safety is being put at risk because of the shootings that occur every day in America.
Who’s been doing the shootings? I haven’t shot anybody. Why are the current laws targeting ME?
I fear that the NRA lobbyists have had their way for far too long and have managed to take us on a slippery slope towards looser gun laws that have led to too many people who shouldn’t have access to guns getting them anyway and using them in too many places to kill too many people
Really? Since when has the NRA been lobbying for criminals and the mentally ill getting guns?
I am afraid they will let more shootings happen before they act. Fearing yet another mass shooting or school shooting is not an imaginary fear. It is real. In fact, just the other day, someone who should not have had access to a gun
Remember who’s talking about fear.
This is about our justice system. This is real and this is scary. Our lack of common sense gun measures as well as our lack of providing adequate mental health care and a system that allows people like Ms. Boland, to plea bargain out of federal charges are very serious problems and threaten our children and public safety. This must change. This is what the national “discussion” about gun violence prevention measures is all about.
Except Joan is fixated on GUNS, not criminals. Good job with that, why take actions that could accomplish something when you can effect innocent people in the name of criminals!
And yet, the gun lobbyists are focusing more on their own rights to own any kind of gun they wish to carry with them wherever they go. They have unreasonable fear of their own government and law enforcement officials
Yeah, as I said above, you focus on Law abiding gun owners while looking the other way with criminals. Hey, but let’s look at that article:
Statistics from the Southern Poverty Law Center – an Alabama-based civil rights nonprofit that tracks extremist organizations – suggest the interest in such patriot groups is taking off in the U.S….One of the groups not on the SPLC’s list for either state is the Sovereign Citizens movement, which Potok says is an underground group known for conducting seminars on how to bilk the government out of money from public assistance programs, how to evade foreclosure and other financial schemes.
First up, why so trusting of the Southern Poverty Law center, they’re a bit of an extremist group themselves
Schlueter doesn’t view the Sovereign Citizens as a threat.
“We don’t want to be the thought police,” said Schlueter. “Most of these peoples’ rub is with federal agencies. The one thing they will honor is with the sheriff, because that’s more of an old constitution, that’s an elected position.”
Schlueter said that the Sovereigns he sees in the county, and their related group, the Republic for the United States of America, identified as the largest subgroup of the Sovereign Citizens in the country so far, have not been violent.
The SPLC list of patriot groups doesn’t include any militias in Minnesota or North Dakota. Nationwide, about one-fourth of the 1,274 groups identified by the nonprofit as patriot groups in 2011 were also deemed to be militias.
But extremist groups are definitely on the radar of local and federal law enforcement agencies.
Nope, no thought police…but police should take action if you think the wrong things. IRONY METER PEGGED!
So backed to Joan:
I heard that in testimony at the Minnesota state legislature last week. This is not about self defense or hunting. This is about treasonous actions against the government. As threats and bullying remarks are being made on blogs, on phone calls to those of us who advocate for reasonable gun laws, on tweets and Facebook pages, in e-mails, etc. some of us have reason to be concerned.
No citation, I wonder why. We have boots-on-the-ground reports that say Joan and company were avoiding the pro-gun people like the plague, yet we’re bullies? Who are you going to believe?
People who testified supporting the bills in front of the Public Safety Committee have received some e-mails and threats to themselves and their businesses. It is disconcerting at the least
At the least. Again no citation, so we’re supposed to take the word of a known liar!
Our fear is coming from those who call themselves legal gun owners but who then bully, intimidate, threaten, demean and belittle people like me and politicians who support reasonable gun laws. Why do they do this? If they have an opinion and some facts that show they are right, they shouldn’t have to bully to get their way. These folks seem to fear those of us who are only trying to slog through the swamp to get through the miasma of the politics of gun policy.
Says the woman who moderates her comments to keep out civil arguments against her lies. Also what’s to be afraid of? When was the last time an anti-gun activist was harmed by a pro-gun activist? We’re armed, and we’re “bullies” but there’s been no violence. This points in one obvious direction. Also we’re the ones pushing fear? Does she read her own writing?
In all of this fear talk, the real reasons we are having this discussion have become lost in the swamp and the blizzard of rhetoric. Have we so soon forgotten the 20 small children who were massacred by a crazed gunman who should not have had a gun? Have we forgotten that the gun he did have was designed to kill as many as possible and inflict as much damage as possible?
Nope, we haven’t forgotten. We’re “lost in the swamp and the blizzard of rhetoric” because your response is CONFISCATION of LAWFULLY held firearms and banning common features on rifles and pistols.
Have we forgotten that the second amendment can co-exist with reasonable measures to keep our communities safe from gun violence and the devastation it causes every day in our lives?
Did you just say that?
Seriously Joan, keep burning up that Joyce Foundation money!