So last night I hit a proverbial jackpot and found Joan Peterson’s stash of anti-gun propaganda posters. This may be a running theme to post images, and discuss them.
First this one:
Source: Uploaded by user via Joan on Pinterest
Wow, this is a winner! First we have the core, of justifying the 2nd Amendment being about hunting. It obviously isn’t. Second we have claims that AR-15s which are the most popular hunting rifle in America right now aren’t used for hunting. Next we have the fallacy of Ipse dixit, or fallacy by rigorous assertion. AR-15s are used for hunting, the anti-rights people don’t like that it is a common hunting rifle, so they simply emphatically state over and over again that they are NOT hunting rifles.
Last we have the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. Where even if a hunter is using an AR-15 for successful and enjoyable hunting, this has nothing to do with the rifle, but to do with the mental state of the hunter, and obviously if you think an AR is the best rifle for taking game you’re likely “Not in your right mind”!
Also I thought I’d throw in this one:
Source: Uploaded by user via Joan on Pinterest
We of course know that Joan Peterson has likely NEVER set foot in a gun shop, certainly not in the last 3 months. Gun SALE? Sorry, but paying $3,000 for a $900 Rifle, and $50 for a $20 magazine, and not being able to find ammo for even the most common firearms is hardly a sale.
And as Tam has said, they aren’t buying these rifles to simply turn them in.
I think this will be a fun series.
So the police need to kill lots of people quickly?
They never can answer that question.
Yes, exactly, Thirdpower. A private citizen will only ever need to kill, what, half a dozen people at once? You can use a double barrel shotgun for that. Only the police need to kill hundreds at a time. Can you imagine how inefficient all those death camps would have been if they had to keep reloading?
They would stand a better chance of mocking the concerns of confiscation — if the anti-rights cultists didn’t keep introducing legislation to confiscate firearms.
Missouri, New York State — how many other places have introduced bills to eliminate our right to keep and bear arms?
In the mean while, they don’t talk about their fears — the inability to walk the streets with their friends, neighbors, co-workers armed and not be quivering in fear.
Don’t forget that Carolyn McCarthy’s latest AWB bill placed nearly all semi-auto rifles on the NFA. Not wanting to pay the taxes, fees, or paperwork, then you need to surrender them.
Own an AR and don’t register it, then you’re as gulty as if you cut down a rifle or shotgun, or own a post 86 Machine gun.
The confiscation threat is NATION WIDE.
So did Feinstein’s…and her description actually covered any semiauto with a grip.
It was any “non-exempt” semi-auto that took a detachable magazine and had ONE “assault” feature. Pistol grips, and vertical forgrips were two named features.
Under her proposed laws those guns would need to be registered under the NFA like any other NFA item, or be surrendered.
I have never been a hunter, nor do I follow hunting trends. I have always wanted to get into hunting, but I just wouldn’t know where to begin (or had the time/energy to figure it all out). If I ever did get into hunting, I expect that some form of AR platform would be what I would use as long as I could find one that fired an appropriate round for the game that I wanted to hunt. I am a US Marine (no longer active). The M16A2 service rifle is the rifle that I am most familiar with, and that knowledge easily ports over to the AR.
That said, I wasn’t aware that the AR had become “the most popular hunting rifle in America right now”. I’m not disputing it, as I have no data with which to do so. I just found it to be surprising and wondered if a little bit of hyperbole might be involved with that statement.
Not that it matters. As you pointed out, the 2A has NOTHING to do with hunting. To be crass, that whole “only designed to kill lots of people” is really quite the point to an AR anyway isn’t it? Well, maybe “lots of people” is taking it a little too far, but if one were to run afoul of one of the gangs that we have running the streets in the cities and find that you need to defend yourself, an AR is as close to the PERFECT weapon to do so as one might find in civilian hands. I don’t know of a weapon that would be better suited to practically ANY self defense chore (where a rifle is at all a possibility), but we’ve known for some time now that the anti-gun folks are really anti-self defense (as well as anti-liberty), and I guess that’s really what is at the heart of their argument.
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One of the reasons I hear it quoted as being the most popular is exactly what you mention: a large cohort of military-trained shooters who know and prefer the AR platform to other rifles. I don’t know if there are statistics to back that up, but it seems legit.
I first handled an AR15 when an ex (also a Marine) let me shoot one of his. Since then, it’s become one of my favorites to shoot and I have introduced quite a few people to it as well. That one Marine probably influenced (directly and indirectly) several people I know of to purchase an AR-15. Most of us only hunt paper targets, but I’m pretty sure I could take down a few pesky animals out back if need be.
Stuart, your last paragraph nailed it.
However if I went back to hunting, the pictured AR15 in a suitable caliber , .223 is light for deer, but just right for chucks, and a whole lot of other smaller game along with feral hogs. Then again it can be setup with a .22LR for even small game like rabbits.
So three uppers .22WMR, .223, and maybe .308 would be a great all round setup. Why? At 5-7 pounds its’ not a heavy rifle and its’ compact less likely to snag branches. Having carried a 1894 saddlegun in 30/30 and a Springfield (30-06 bolt action) one can appreciate that light is good and if you have to clamber around in rough country something smaller is good.
So its an ideal hunting rifle, and one of the best defense arms as well.
Still if you are hunting birds or clays you use a shotgun (rule 4) is the accepted tool.
A semi auto is right for that or a good pump either plugged for the season for hunting game, unplugged for 2 legged varmints around the house.
Then again I was told a pistol was not a hunting arm till I tried a .22lr Blackhawk for
small game. With a proper holster rig it was great, safer too, as I could climb and all with two hands.. I used to know someone that used a Blackhawk in I think .40 or .44
for deer, in PA a shot in the woods likely rarely more than 40 yards. That works well
for defense as well.
Eck!
Also don’t forget the heavy marketing of 6.8SPC and .300 BLK as Deer and Hog guns.
Also the fat daddies like .450 Bushmaster .458 SOCOM and .500 Beowulf for American Big Game, and probably light but suitable for African big game.
Also the plethora of AR-10 sized rifles with old school hunting calibers like .243 Win.
Yeah ARs are HEAVILY marketed to hunters, espeshally given all the returning vets who are familiar and comfortable with the M16 pattern rifles they used in the service.
That’s crazy talk, Weerd. No one hunts with AR-15s…
I don’t hunt with my AR.
My AR kills fascists.