Joan hasn’t been putting out anything useful as of late, but this post is in rare form:
Efforts to arm and train teachers can only result in a new market for guns. If the ludicrous idea to arm teachers went anywhere, teachers would go out and buy guns. And, if they are to actually have them in the classroom, they will have to be trained of course. So off they go to the gun permit training classes. Unless of course, you live in Virginia, where you can get a permit with just a one hour on-line training class with no requirements to handle a gun or know anything about a gun. Oh yes, and you can get a Virginia permit easily even if you live in another state. Or in Arizona where not even a permit is required to carry a loaded gun in public. Same in Vermont, Alaska and Wyoming. So that would mean that teachers can carry these weapons with nary a moment of training in how to use a lethal weapon. Raise your hand if you think that’s a good idea. Gun deaths in these states? You can check out this report from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence for much more information about gun laws in the states and why they actually matter.
Love the old “You need training” meme. She notes that four states now have done away with their permit entirely, many more states have no training requirement, and even more have training so minimal I doubt people retain much of it a week after the class.
Yet where are the massive spike in gun accidents, negligent shootings, or people improperly justifying lethal force in these states? Oh and note her “justification” comes from the Joyce Foundations’ AstroTurf group.
When Wayne LaPierre’s CEO picked former Congressman Asa Hutchinson to shepherd his ideas about arming teachers through the media, he knew what he was doing. Hutchinson has ties to some private security companies.
Remember, conflict of interest ONLY exists from the opposition. Joan gets her primary paychecks from the Joyce Foundation for her work at Protect Minnesota, and she constantly references the Joyce Foundation as “justification” for her outlandish and false claims. Yet somebody with ties with a training groups can’t be trusted. LOL!
Hmmmm. The hypocrisy is stunning. But if you don’t like this idea, then, how about the absolutely nutty decision by the country’s craziest Sheriff, Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona. He has ordered armed posse members to patrol the perimiter of schools in his county:
Why is this nutty? Have there been mass shootings in Arizona? Has there been negligence on behalf of the patrols? Do the students even know they’re there, as they wear no uniforms, and are issued no equipment? Seems like saving money is “Nutty” to Joan.
“And then there was Jacob Cutler. According to a Flagstaff police report, Cutler threw his girlfriend to the ground and choked her while trying to sexually assault her in 2008. When she didn’t cooperate, he allegedly threatened to call police and said they would side with him, because he “has a badge.” He was a member of Arpaio’s posse at the time.”
This isn’t anything unique to the Arizona group, you see crap like this in police forces all the time. Of course Joan is just after THIS group because she can site two bad members, not Police in general, which she gives carte balance to posses not only, civilian guns (and carry them EVERYWHERE) but full-auto and other NFA weapons. Further, Joan has been very vocal against the Indiana law that allows civilians to use deadly force against violent criminals committing crimes…EVEN IF THEY HAVE A BADGE!
And let’s hope that one or more people in the state of Indiana won’t decide to blow a police officer away and do so legally. Really? Indeed. It’s a new law. One can shoot a police officer now in Indiana and do so legally:
Hubbard, a 17-year veteran of the Police Department in Jeffersonville, Ind., says his apprehension stems from a state law approved this year that allows residents to use deadly force in response to the “unlawful intrusion” by a “public servant” to protect themselves and others, or their property.
Lovely double-standard there Joan!
Never mind. These are the folks that the NRA is offering up to protect our children from the “bad guys” with guns. These are the “good guys with guns” that we should trust to take care of school security. Good grief. But that is the twisted logic of the NRA and it’s leaders and lobbyists. The decision of the NRA to let Wayne LaPierre have a press event with no questions asked where he suggested that the solution to gun violence is more guns was a mistake. Since that time, many NRA members have gone public with their distaste and disenchantment with the organization. Public polling is not going their way.
Joan again is citing that bogus MAIG Poll. Not only does MAIG also take money from the Joyce Foundation, but this bogus poll seems to be the next iteration of the bogus Arthur Kellerman study saying that guns in the home are more likely to do bad things than good. It isn’t true, but they’ll keep citing it so the lazy and uninformed will believe it, and vote accordingly. Hopefully with the internet, and social groups this won’t work THIS TIME, as it has in the past.
This being the case, how can the NRA sit at the table of discussion with any real intent to stop shootings when the organization’s ties to the gun industry benefit from shootings and the sale of weapons after each mass shooting? How can it be that an industry that makes weapons designed to kill people and particularly assault rifles designed to be used by the military to kill as many people as possible benefit from the death of 20 small children? It’s beyond belief really and beyond what is acceptable and within the bounds of common sense and common decency.
Again comes the carte blanche to the police. Cops carry pistols with magazines holding 12-17 rounds depending on department issue, and most patrol officers have “Patrol Rifles” which of course is just a less evil way of calling rifles “Assault Weapons” because cops have them. Are cops roving hit squads? Are they state-funded executioners? Joan will say its so they aren’t outgunned by criminals (who aren’t using rifles, “Assault” or otherwise”. Still in situations like the North Hollywood shootout, this is when Police stand down and wait for the SWAT team, which is more of a military arm than a police force, will armored vehicles, machine guns, body armor, air support, and grenade launchers. Sorry, Joan, cops carry guns for the EXACT same reason as I do, to defend themselves and others from criminals. The only difference between cops and citizens is the citizens are the ones in danger and CALLING THE COPS. Thanks I’ll keep my guns, I might need them.
More lies. The NRA is misrepresenting the majority of its’ members who want reasonable gun laws. If the leaders of the organization can look the families of shooting victims in the eye and explain to them why universal background checks on all gun sales is a bad idea, let’s hear it. If they can look Gabrielle Giffords in the eye and tell her why a ban on high capacity magazines is a bad idea, let them speak up.
Again, her idea of “misrepresentation of membership” is an anti-gun poll with very questionable methods, and when it comes to looking Gabrielle Giffords in the eye…well they can’t…because when she was in the public eye and available for discussion she wasn’t anti-gun. Now that she has retired from politics and not giving meetings with the public, she’s talking of gun bans. All of this said in Joan’s blog with heavily moderated comments. Joan we WANT to discuss the issue with you…you won’t let us. You want an echo chamber and a non-debate.
Lastly she talks a bit about James Yeager and his permit:
Yup. Thank you Tennessee Department of Safety. This guy means business. Just listen to his ridiculous and paranoid words in the video. He is spouting the NRA’s drivel and fear mongering and worse. The thing is, people like this have guns and lots of them. They are insurrectionists ready to commit treason. Now that the country may actually pass some reasonable gun reforms, these guys are dissembling. Really, dear readers, don’t believe a word he is saying. No one is going to come and confiscate his guns. No one is taking away any God given rights. No one is setting the Constitution on fire. People like this are the problem in this country.
Umm, Joan, Tennessee was being a chicken shit on this issue. James Yeager STILL has lots of guns, and can STILL carry and use them (just not with a legal permit anymore). If he DOES mean business, then nothing has changed, as murder is more illegal than carrying without a permit.
Again the anti-gun logic of “If guns were as illegal as murder, nobody would be murdered with guns”. This logic only makes sense to them.
Now throughout this post she talks about the “paranoia” of gun owners about confiscations. She sums it up best in the comment section:
Where did you see that anyone on the gun control side want to confiscate guns and get rid of the second amendment. That is a lie and you seem to believe. More’s the pity, Mark. There are very few comments on the side of reasonable gun control that come close to matching the gun rights extremists. I have experienced those so I know very well what they say. We’ve been over this before. Try as you might, you just can’t defend what is being said on your side of this discussion. It should be embarrassing to you and reprehensible to any person with integrity but I guess not. I am not going back and forth with you any more about this, Mark. If I were you, I wouldn’t defend what is being said by your side of this discussion. Where have you experienced it on this blog? Stop now, Mark before you say some things that make you look bad.
Chris in Alaska gives some good citations of people on Joan’s side that are VERY happy with the idea of confiscation.
He missed one key person. JOAN PETERSON!
I guess your definition of confiscation is different than mine. From the article you linked:” More than 160,000 handguns have been surrendered by their owners since new laws were introduced following the Dunblane massacre, the UK Government has revealed.”
Confiscate- ” To seize (private property) for the public treasury.
2. To seize by or as if by authority. See Synonyms at appropriate.
adj. (knf-skt, kn-fskt)
1. Seized by a government; appropriated.
2. Having lost property through confiscation.”
Gun owners in UK were compensated for their guns turned in though it took longer than they expected.
Joan, you are OPENLY coming for our guns, and you are such a coward that you’ll pretend you aren’t, and then send total strangers to do your dirty work. Why do you think Joan is so upset by the Indiana law against shooting Cops engaging in criminal acts? That would REALLY make the door-to-door confiscations sticky, wouldn’t it?