No longer are permit-holders barred from places with bars and liquor licenses!
Governor Nikki Haley of South Carolina signed S.308 into law today, February 11th.
The reform restores the rights of armed Americans to eat in the same restaurants as the rest of the population. South Carolina is one of the last states to restore this right.
South Carolina is joining the majority of states that aren’t concerned with carry permit holders not being able to control themselves and get ILLEGALLY drunk in restaurants.
This is a non-issue, and I’m glad the people of South Carolina have come to their senses as with the other states who have recently repealed the dumb laws.
Also she’s pushing for Constitutional carry!
South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley says she’d like to see the state senate pass a proposal that would allow people to carry guns – concealed or in the open – without a permit….But Haley wants to see the law taken a step further. Open carry is currently prohibited in the state, but the Constitutional Carry Act would change that. It would eliminate the permitting and training requirement for carrying a gun in public.
“Criminals are dangerous, and I think that every resident should be allowed to protect themselves from criminals,” she said during the bill signing.
This is also very reasonable, and sides with individual liberty! I wish the people of South Carolina the best of luck!
Of course the “Progressives” HATE freedom, and they’re willing to bullshit to invoke needless fear!
Permit requirements are typically separate from laws that govern who can buy and possess guns in the state.
100% true, now comes the lies that fly directly in the face of that:
While some crimes — violent felonies — bar individuals from buying or possessing a gun in the first place, a larger list of crimes bars individuals from carrying those guns outside their homes. What’s more, those who seek a permit are required to undergo firearms training. And permits must be re-issued every few years, allowing the state an opportunity to check for new crimes committed after an individual initially purchased a gun. Ending the permit requirement would eliminate both firearms training and the more probing, follow-up background checks that now exist.
I’m curious what “crimes” prohibit people from carrying despite not being a federally prohibited person. No citation was given, maybe people in the comments can clarify this. I would argue if you are safe to OWN a gun, you are safe to carry it. If you are not safe to carry it, you shouldn’t own it. Also I’ll add many crimes that make it illegal for you to posses a gun really don’t make you any more of a risk. If you are convicted of tax evasion, or were caught poaching game, or the multitude of other foolish victimless crimes that are felonies, you are no more likely to be violent than somebody with a clean record.
Also if you can’t legally possess a gun a permit, or any facsimile is moot. If you are a violent felon in Vermont or Wyoming, or Alaska, or Arizona, it doesn’t matter if you need a permit or not, OWNING that gun is a crime, and CARRYING the gun is possession.
Firearms training is bullshit, it hasn’t been proven to make a state any more or less safe. Training is good, but mandating it only puts restrictions on people carrying their guns. Further it is VERY easy to become proficient in firearms handling, and self defense law WITHOUT attending a class, so demanding somebody who is already proficient in these things is simply a tax.
Lastly renewal of permits is NOT the only point where the state can check you for a criminal violation. That’s foolish, and short-sighted. Essentially this author is claiming that if I rape or murder somebody two days after I get my SC permit, I should be valid to carry a gun until the permit expires 4 years later?
Bullshit, the permit is revoked upon a conviction (and suspended pending trial), and your rights to OWN guns are revoked pending a conviction. The permit DOES NOTHING, and hasn’t since records became computerized decades ago.
Renewing permits is simply a hassle and a tax. I think every state should do away with this nonsense.
I mean it does say “The right to KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infinged”, doesn’t it?
Begs the question why I see so many gun bloggers moving to NC when SC is so close…
I know the wife and I were considering it, but decided we’d be too far from family to be worth the MASSIVE savings from taxes and cost of living.
The Research Triangle is a MASSIVE magnet for jobs, both in hard sciences and in support staffing.
Hence why Cary NC is known as C.A.R.Y (Containment Area for Relocated Yankees).
Also I’ve heard it called “Curry” because of all the people from the Indian Subcontinent and Southeast Asia living there.
Because we all know they wait for your driver’s license renewal to come up at which time they check to see if you had a DUI over the past six years, and suspend your license at that point.
LOL great point!
Another good thing about SC vs NC is our permit system is controlled and administered by the state so I local anti- gun and /or asshole Sheriff cant interfere with the approval process.
Forget the Carolinas
Virginia doesn’t have any of those problems.
Come here.
S.308?
I see what they did there…
…wonder if it was on purpose.
I agree with the substance of this post. I did come across something new though, an article in the New York Times which actually presents some reasonable looking data in support of handgun permit to purchase laws. Personally I’m against such laws, I bring this up only to further research, what IS actually happening?
Thoughts?
I haven’t had a chance to actually look at the study, but preliminary fisking is showing it to be exactly what you’d expect from a Joyce-funded “Study”. First up it only looked at homicides in general, so that includes lawful shootings. Second I’ve seen CDC data sets that show that the number fluctuations are not going UP but up and down, and the changes aren’t statistically significant. Also I saw somebody note that the numbers were gross number, not per-capita, so a growing population will generally have a growing homicide rate if all things stay the same.
This sort of study has been done multiple times by more objective sources, and the general consensus is when gun laws are relaxed crime rate stays the same or drops. Even if this study was legit it is just one state at one point in time. We’ve had DOZENS of other states that haven’t seen this result, so even if the numbers are good, it doesn’t mean the results are real.
Any scientific experiment needs to be repeatable to be considered fact.
It doesn’t appear on my screen that the link in my last post worked. Apologies for the double post if it did…
Without the HTML tags this time:
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/21/what-missouris-gun-law-change-did/