Quote of the Day: Sebastian

A great point!

Additionally, when it comes to electronic-ignition firearms, I’m sure our opponents would positively love semi-automatic firearms that could be converted to fully automatic with a firmware hack, which would beg the question as to whether semi-automatics with electronic ignition were “readily convertible” and thus Title II firearms out of the gate. It would certainly be a novel theory that could be used to prosecute some unlucky bastard. If you’re going to make a smart electronic ignition system, then certainly detecting an out-of-battery condition is an obvious safety feature. You can see how this then becomes very easy.

This really goes down the rabbit hole! Remember we need to ban conventional semi-auto firearms because they are “Easily” converted to full-auto. One with any knowledge of what it takes to convert say an AR-15 into an M-16 will note that once you get to all the tools, measurements, and parts fabrications, you can easily convert some plumbing fixtures into an SMG.

I can’t imagine that any of these “Smart” guns would be too hard to convert to “Dumb” guns with their safety features and computer controls permanently fixed in the “Fire” condition. Something as simple as grinding the tab off of a 1911 safety or pinning the grip safety in, these current “Smart” guns must have a conventional safety in there someplace that could be removed, blocked or pinned so that the electronic wizz-bangs don’t effect the operation.

Sebastian looks forward to electronic ignition and notes the problems with that.

Also something I hadn’t thought about was the SPEED the biometric systems take to register. Even the new iPhone with its VERY good fingerprint reader (issues aside) takes a bit to do its reading and unlocking.

Compare that to the heavy-duty retention holsters Law enforcement carry in these days:

Even a level 3 holster can be quickly and efficiently drawn from with moderate practice. You could probably learn how to minimize the read time from a GOOD (note that when a biometric gun reaches the market, it will likely be VERY crude) biometric device, there is only so much you can do.

There is a reason cops refuse to allow these “Smart” guns to be mandated upon them, and those EXACT same reasons are why we won’t play with them either. Plus, if you see somebody walking down the street with a smart gun branded wrist watch on their RIGHT hand (everybody I know wears a watch on the left side) it does tell a story you don’t want told.

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3 Responses to Quote of the Day: Sebastian

  1. Bob S. says:

    When the Secret Service and the Diplomatic Security Service switch to biometric controlled firearms; I’ll consider it.

  2. McThag says:

    Trying to put this where it was intended, take two…

    I’ve got the plans for a STEN around here someplace from when I was considering making a semi-auto clone. 95% of the bother with the design was ATF compliance and my intention of it looking the part. If you don’t care if your Home Depot SMG LOOKS like a STEN or has even a single part that interchanges you’re in business for less than $100 and a day (assuming you have cartridges).
    The HDSMG is not going to last long because they don’t sell the quality steels that a “real” gun would need; but mild steel stock would certainly last long enough to be a full-auto Liberator. Or a throw-away spring gun.

    • Geodkyt says:

      McThag —

      There are only two parts that have to be out of decent quality steel on a Sten gun: The barrel and bolt.

      And I’ve seen examples of fairly durable bolts for garage/insurgent SMGs made from crappy metal, with only a decent steel face. Including one that had a bolt head made from flat stock welded to cut up low grade flats and tubing, with lead melted into the voids to make weight. (Apparantly worked just fine for at least a militarily useful service life.)

      Bolts can also be made from steel automotive stock found in junkyards – engines and drive trains for cars built since the 1950s are also superior to the steels the Brits used.

      Barrels are an issue, unless you either have access to a barrel or barrel blank you can use, or are willing to accept a smoothbore like that British guy did.

      Home Depot, Lowes, and any auto supply shop all sell properly dimensioned tubing and flats that are superior to the steels the British used. (The receiver is friggin’ exhaust pipe. . . no heat treat or anything on the cuts. . . )

      Which all sort of illustrates the futility of gun control efforts to make guns unavailable or unaffordable – and doubly underscores gun control efforts against “ghost guns”. frankly, it’s WAY easier to make an illegal fully automatic (or even selective fire — a Sten has a dirt simple trigger group, and IT’S selective fire!) than it is to make one that is fully compliant under current laws. . . make it too difficult to make legal guns, and you can start expecting to see criminals with even more dangerous ones.

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