This is an old saw, but a new article:
County deputies recently encountered a man who was carrying a concealed weapon under his shirt as he was jogging. He had a concealed-carry permit. But while he was a county resident, his permit was from Florida
It’s all legal. Ohio has reciprocity agreements with 23 other states that allow permit holders from those states to carry their concealed weapons in Ohio. A few of those states, including Florida and Utah, issue permits to nonresidents….Some people get permits from other states to avoid being listed in Ohio’s law-enforcement database. As a result, local sheriff’s departments and the Ohio Attorney General’s office don’t know how many Ohio residents have concealed-carry permits from Florida, Utah, or elsewhere.
Maj. Ronald Keel of the Lucas County Sheriff’s Department said that lack of knowledge makes traffic stops more dangerous. When deputies stop a vehicle, they check the license plate before they approach the driver. But if an Ohio driver has a concealed-carry permit from another state, that information won’t show up on their computer.
If Police really think this, then they are being DANGEROUSLY stupid. Let’s say my tail light burns out, or I get clocked going over the posted speed limit. The cops approach my car, and I’m carrying a gun.
Now what? I talk with the officer, I get a ticket or a warning, I drive on. Even some of these massive tickets traffic cops are handing out, it isn’t worth a felony murder or threat charge.
Meanwhile cops stop a car because of a warrant, or the car stolen, or the driver is shitfaced drunk….if their database says the owner of the car (remember the car thief scenario) is without a permit the officer just ASSUMES the person is unarmed?
BULLSHIT! Being a cop isn’t an easy job, and bullshit like this isn’t really relevant. Actually its the other way. If the person has a permit that means they are NOT a felon, and not wanted for warrants. Of course you still need to keep an eye on them, you never know…but somebody who’s LAWFULLY carrying a gun has a LOT more to lose than somebody who is UNLAWFULLY carrying a gun.
Massachusetts has zero reciprocity with other states. I have no idea how my permit comes up on the laptop in the Police Cruiser, but let’s assume it does. Does this somehow make cops safer?
Hell even in the standard bullshit, I’ve been riding in cars with people who don’t have permits. I’m carrying a gun, but the driver and owner doesn’t….then what?
If cops follow the logic of this piece it will GET THEM KILLED!
Well for the antis the clear solution is a banning all inter-state reciprocity, a national registration database, and oh making it illegal to carry in a car when either the driver or owner the car do not have a carry permit.
Do to otherwise is to cater to criminals and make things harder for the police!
Or you know… the Antis could accept that Policing has inherent dangers (inevitable when your work brings you into contact with criminals) and restrictions (free society with rights and all that).
Or we could dispense with the bullshit and just have national Constitutional Carry. Ta-Da! You pull over a car, THEY have a carry permit! Of course not everybody will exercise that right…but hey, there are times when I’m traveling to a gun-free zone, so I leave my gun in the safe…so I have a permit, but no gun….
But if we had national constitutional carry, why… why the proles woudl be free to move where they like and carry what they like!
How could the King’s men ensure the rabble rouses and wreckers aren’t up to no good and thinking above their station?
Sort of like how NYC’s Stop and Frisk doesn’t net the few well-heeled Lords and Ladies of the city who have the Baron’s grace.
In addition to your excellent points, Weer’d:
One of the things that we constantly have to deal with is dispelling what *might* happen. A person law abiding enough to get a permit *might* suddenly decide to turn to homicide to avoid a ticket. And the cop *might* be relying on the information on his computer. And the cop *might* get shot.
Except…that’s never happened.
Making the police’s job easier seems to be a slippery slope to more totalitarian crap.
I’m almost to the point of reflexively trying to make their jobs harder because their professional organizations lobby to make my LIFE harder.
A’yup, there’s a reason such things are called Police States
As a Buckeye, if any Cop wants to know who is legal to have a CCW, they just have to call our RINO Attorney General, Former Senator Mike DeWine, and have him DO HIS FUCKING JOB and make the Database Work for ALL Ohio LEOs.
I thought cops are trained to treat everyone like they are armed now-a-days. I clearly remember a shift in practice where the cops now stand behind your C-pillar with a hand ready to draw.