Smoke and Noise

Took Jay and Sci-Fi to yon local range for some well needed recoil therapy.

The star of the show was of course the Kriss

The ergonomics are fantastic, controls are all where they should be (including a left-hand charging handle), and while our range was limited, the gun put the rounds right where we wanted them. The recoil on the gun kinda weirded me out. First you might note that the stock seemed a bit short for me so I made my cheek weld right at the “hinge” for the “folding stock” (because folding stocks would be evil in Mass the hinge was welded in this unit so the stock is fixed) but because of the unique action of this gun the gun recoils UP. I’m sure this is the berries in full-auto

But in semi it felt like the jun was throwing jabs at my cheek, for what is a mild cartridge in the first place. I did adjust my cheek weld a little further back and found it to be pleasant. Still since a .45 ACP carbine doesn’t really fit into any useful box I can think of (especially with the price of the Kriss!), it didn’t thrill me too much. Doesn’t make it a bad gun, it really isn’t, and that also doesn’t make it overpriced, it seems like you get a lot of gun for your money. Just not my speed.

This is my speed!

My FAL, it is my most favorite rifle! We gave it some abuse today too! GOOD TIMES!

Also I was amused by the few tiny pistols we had.

From Clockwise at 12:00 is Jay’s SIG P250 in compact form, my Radom P64 and Eleanor. The two plastic guns are in .45 ACP, the steel gun is in 9×18. We all know my love for the PM45, and there is no finer pocket .45 in the world in my books.

Still I was really impressed with the P250 compact. Its a little bigger than the PM45 in every dimension, but it uses the increased with to slightly stagger the magazines. I should have snapped a picture, but my 5-round PM45 mag is the same size as the P250 mag, but the P250 has a slight stagger to it so it holds 6 for my 5.

The trigger is EXACTLY what I want for a DAO gun. Its a true hammer-fired DAO gun, unlike the pre-charged striker-fired system of my Kahr, but the trigger pulls are similar. I’m not sure what the free state configuration (according to SIG’s site the free-state pull should be pretty close to the Kahr’s) But it feels JUST like a good DA revolver trigger. Smooth consistent pull with a crisp break and almost no over-travel. The pull is LONG tho, and the reset is almost the full length of travel. Now I prefer DA revolvers for trigger pull, so this is EXACTLY what I like, but that’s personal preference.

The gun also ran like a champ. It does seem to handle the recoil of the .45 ACP poorly. The bore axis is a bit higher than the Kahr, or a 1911, and the slide is big and blocky and it feels that its cycling contributes to muzzle flip. Not unpleasant, but you need to handle the gun a LOT more aggressively. The Kahr’s mild recoil really spoils me.

The P64 is just a nasty gun. It ran like a top…but boy it isn’t fun to shoot. As I said before the trigger is the worst trigger in creation (so much that it becomes a selling point!) and the sights are miniscule, and the gun is amazingly snappy for such a mild cartridge in such a heavy gun.

Doesn’t mean I don’t love it! Still my CZ-82 is still the best damn way to eat a box of 9x18mm!

Last up Jay brought out his takedown rifle!

SUCH a neat little gun! Breaks down small, and is fun to shoot. Had a few jams with the pre-ban extended mags, but I doubt that’s the fault of the gun.

Also we had one .22 that gave a REALLY mild report. Not only does the takedown system let you pack the rifle away small, but Jay quickly popped the barrel off the action and checked the bore for obstructions just in case that funny report was a squib getting lodged.

For a fixed-frame 10/22 you really need to run a rod down the barrel to ensure clear, or hit it with a strong bore light.

Also Jay likes to take it apart, so we had the thing in pieces a few times, and thanks to the sights being all on the barrel assembly the gun keeps putting the rounds right where you want them even after the gun is taken apart.

So yeah, good times were had, and shooting stuff is FUN!

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0 Responses to Smoke and Noise

  1. Cargosquid says:

    My wife was allowed to shoot the Kriss at the LG Blogger shoot on full. Having never fired a full auto before, she was able to completely control the weapon and keep all her shots within 7 inches at about 15-20 feet range.

    I want one.

  2. Linoge says:

    As always, I am seriously envious of anyone who has had the opportunity to shoot a Kriss. Oleg complained that he found the recoil somewhat “twisty”, and the stock insufficiently thick to counteract that effect – did you notice anything similar?

    • Weerd Beard says:

      I think I can see why Oleg would say that. Just I felt the gun seemed to jump up and down more than push back on my shoulder.

      I didn’t do much rapid shooting to give it a change to build up any torque.

  3. Old NFO says:

    I went from a Thompson to the Kriss in Tenn, and I actually had to pull it UP because I was anticipating more recoil than it had… I didn’t notice any ‘twist’, but it IS a strange feeling recoil! Trigger time and good friends always works!

  4. Wally says:

    MMMM looks like some good times. I recognize that range too.

    I was wondering about the “unique, new swing action of the Kriss”. My first swag at the origins of the design stepped back to 1893 (Borchardt) then pulling my head out of my butt, and pulled that back a decade more to 1883. Some crazy fella from Piscataquis County…

  5. Jay G. says:

    Thanks for hosting, Weerd – definitely a good time!

  6. Brad_in_MA says:

    Ok, I’ll bite . . . is the range public or a private club?

  7. Rob Crawford says:

    What’s the takedown rifle? It doesn’t look like an AR7, but…

  8. SCI-FI says:

    Thanks for the invite…

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