Why Yes!

CSGV just can’t get out of their own way!

I know lots of people who control pests with .223 ARs. The magazine is kinda irrelevant, but It simply means more time on the bench, blind, or prone in the field. Oh and they’re called “Varmints”. You just said the equivalent of “My computer is for checking the internets”. Of course making you look ignorant isn’t much of a concern when in fact you ARE ignorant.

BTW How many of you out there have hunted medium game with .223? I always heard the round was too small, but I have since heard a few accounts of people taking deer and larger creatures with one humane shot from a .223 gun, as with people who hunt pigs with them. I would say bullet selection would be VERY critical for that application, but a properly performing .223 bullet through the heart/lungs should do the trick for most things.

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0 Responses to Why Yes!

  1. Jack says:

    And if the 223 isn’t enough in one shot at least you have the option of followup.

    I’ve hunted with flintlock rifles. Fun challenge, especially if the weather is bad.

    But, hunting is to the 2nd amendment as cookbooks or church bakesales are to the 1st.

    Sure it’s covered, but they’re not the sole reason or the core.

    Man the Antis really miss the Fudds!

    • Weerd Beard says:

      Oh yeah, their litmus test that “if you can’t hunt with it you shouldn’t have it” is 100% bullshit, and most gun owners these days are less concerned with hunting than they are with self defense and having fun at the range.

      Still I think its hilarious that even their bullshit litmus is WRONG.

      • Jack says:

        Yeah, I had a comment showing that Bloomberg’s “I’ve never seen a deer in a bulletproof vest.” is laughably ignorant.

        And an anti responded with “So what? You can’t conceal a Deer gun because unlike ARs they don’t have folding stocks!”

        To which I thanked him for being a textbook example before pointing out:
        1) That there’s no reason a Deer gun can’t have a folding stock or a 16 in barrel. And that said features are handy for transport and thick woods.

        2) AR’s have a buffer tube on the back of the receiver that actually precludes them from having true folding stocks. Thus a “deer gun” would actually be smaller when folded up assuming the same OAL

        3) Plenty of ARs *are* used as deer guns, because the platform is common as dirt and very modular so parts are easy to find and swap.

        So yeah, hilarious when they can’t even get their BS tests to work. But oh! We should totally trust them on restricting enumerated rights.

        • Weerd Beard says:

          The whole “Armor Piercing” “Cop Killing” nonsense is just beyond the pale. Just look at the vest ratings for most mid to large game calibers, or distance target shooting rounds.

          They could care less about public safety, just about banning guns.

  2. Rob Crawford says:

    Depends on the scale of the varmint problem, doesn’t it? I bet there are some Australian farmers who consider that a good choice for rabbits.

  3. Kristopher says:

    Some of those varmints that needed shooting in the past … like Hitler and company.

    A drum like that is the answer to genocide.

    Think of what the Cherokee could have done with those when Andy Jackson wanted to death-march them to Oklahoma.

  4. Archer says:

    I’ve always heard you can take a deer with a very well-placed .22LR shot. Now, you have to be one hell of a marksman shooting from much closer than what’s required for larger calibers. There’s probably also a good bit of luck involved. And if you miss or fail to get a clean one-shot kill, it can get very ugly/messy very quickly. Most people (myself included) would use a larger and heavier bullet – it’s more humane and there’s more room for error – but it can be done.

    • Weerd Beard says:

      I believe it Jeff Cooper that noted that if you placed a .22 LR round right into a lion’s ear canal the shot will go into its brain and kill it instantly…but a shot like that is near impossible for any shooter, so the pros go for the big calibers like .375 H&H mag, .416 Rigby, and .460 Weatherby Magnum.

      generally I hear about hunters using .243 Winchester, and .30-30 WCF as their starting cartridges. Hell my cousin has taken deer with a .300 Win Mag. That seems like a bit much for the shorter ranges we have in Maine.

      Still I know people who have taken deer cleanly with a .223, and I was wondering if we had any hunting stories, because I love me some hunting stories!

    • Pyrotek85 says:

      I’ve heard that you can kill deer with .22LR, but as you noted the smaller caliber leaves little room for error. Same with using it as a defensive caliber really. It can get the job done, but you’re more dependent on shot placement.

      I guess that’s what makes it an ideal survival caliber though, you could carry a ton of it and it could still potentially handle fairly large prey.

      • Kristopher says:

        My grand uncle Les used to do that during the depression.

        A .22lr in the ear at night, and venison was an the table.

        When he took up hunting again, after taking my suggestion to bring a couple of teenage relatives along to hunt with him ( e.i., pack his meat out for him ), he complained that a .30-06 during the day was just too damned easy.

  5. Old Jarhead says:

    I have used .223 for wild hog hunting several times. Works like a champ, and since the sows can travel in groups of 20 or more, that drum mag looks REALLY nice for hogs. While I wouldn’t take a deer with the round, it would probably work great for the purpose. I just have 2 girls at home that refuse to eat venison, so I won’t take a deer, period. .223 also works well for coyotes, and other small game. It’s real fun at the prairie dog towns, and having a number of rounds in the magazine is a real plus.

  6. Dan says:

    My son took his first deer with my 16 inch AR-15. It was a clean kill using hornady 60 gr. partition bullets. I would not hesitate to use a .223 on deer-sized game. Look at the hunting rifles being sold today by DMPM, Rock River, Remington, etc. There are more AR-15 rifles in the hands of americans today than ever before. That is a win for freedom. Don’t get me wrong, hunting is great but it is NOT the purpose of the second amemdment. Ice-T got it right when he said that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is to protect us from tyrany.

  7. Critter says:

    never tried it on deer but .223 is excellent for hogs. i was thinking of baiting some early in the autumn before deer season begins, and an AR is the just the thing.

  8. BobG says:

    Here in Utah the .223 is not legal for hunting deer or larger game. All of our deer are mulies, so they tend to be larger than whitetail. They found that the .223 was more unreliable on our deer unless the shot placement was to the head, which is difficult to do with a moving deer.

  9. Eck! says:

    Long ago,
    and in PA I used to take chucks with .22WMR at 100-150yards on iron sights.
    When I went for deer it was 12ga slug, or 30-30 saddlegun or a friends .32 cal saddlegun and at the usual woods distances of under 40 yards and usually about 25 yards that was plenty enough. At those distances I’d expect .223 to be enough, but hey that drum looks heavy and I’ve carried a sported 1903 in 06 enough to know what heavy works like.

    For varmints .22LR was a winner, I tried a 25-06, though the 30-30 saddlegun was
    a favorite. Never had to shoot real far. For some a 12ga with BB or slug was the way to go.

    Biggest thing when then and there pulling out a poodleshooter was good for laughs
    with the local boys.. I know taking chucks with a .22WMR always got laughs. They stopped that when I used a Crossman .22cal air rifle once at 50yds and got a chuck. Now that was lightweight.

    Caliber is nice, still gotta hit it. That’s best done when they are laughing hardest.

    Eck!

  10. TS says:

    If you could only have one gun, what would it be? An AR is very versatile- from small game hunting, to plinking cans, to bench shooting, to self defense. Now would the antis prefer if we have one gun, or one gun for every possible occasion?

  11. Motor-T says:

    I always thought magazines that carry a metric fuck-ton (2.2 standard fuck-tons) of ammo were so I wouldn’t have to carry reloads.
    If I’m using an AR for home defense, odds are I’m in my skivvies. Ever try to stuff a spare mag into your BVDs?

    • Weerd Beard says:

      Very good point. This came up after the Arizona shooting when people asked why you might need a massive pistol magazine.

      Night stand gun is a great example.

      My carry 1911 holds 9, 8 in the box, one in the pipe. My nightstand 1911 only holds seven, because I’ll likely not have the chance to top off my mag in an emergency.

      Of course being a subject of Massachusetts, big mags are hard to find….still I think that slot might be better filled with an M&P45….

  12. Tom says:

    What makes me cringe about the CSGV approach to the “too many bullets” argument is that it implies that killing one person is somehow not so bad. We heard the same sick logic after the Giffords shooting. If the killer didn’t have as many rounds in his “clip”, he wouldn’t have been able to kill so many people. Of course, if he only had 10 rounds, he could still have killed the 6 people he did. So, if a 100 round mag is too many for an AR, is 30 ok? That’s what the Giffords shooter had for his Glock. Then if 30 is too many, how about 10? If 10 people can get shot, then how about 5 or 2 or 1? A madman can kill and ruin lives with a single shot, bolt action .22. And as long as it was registered and the killer took it out of his approved safe, CSGV would be satisfied. But wait, they’ll only be satisfied when Americans are completely unarmed.

    Bottom line: limits on mag sizes are just part of the anti gun maniacs’ plan to outlaw all guns in civilian hands.

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