A sheriff who released a radio ad urging Milwaukee-area residents to learn to handle firearms so they can defend themselves while waiting for police said Friday that law enforcement cutbacks have changed the way police can respond to crime….”I need you in the game,” he says.
“With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option,” he adds. “You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. … Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there.”
Yep, the cops don’t hang out on your doorstep waiting for you to call for help. While you wait, you’re the first line of defense.
The president of the Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs’ Association, Roy Felber, said it sounds like a call to vigilantism.
“That doesn’t sound too smart,” Felber said. “People have the right to defend themselves, but they don’t have the right to take the law into their own hands.”
Under Wisconsin’s “castle doctrine,” someone who uses deadly force against an unlawful intruder to their home, business or vehicle is presumed to have acted reasonably.
Sorry, bud, but vigilantism is a crime, lawful self defense is not. The two are NOT equal!
And the laws being presented are there only to make us LESS SAFE!
Found this post from the NGVAC blog, and had to tear it apart!
There is no good argument for the use of assault-type weaponry from a sport shooter’s perspective. Those who use and enjoy firearms for hunting and target shooting, do not choose assault-style, semi-automatic weapons, due to their inherent inaccuracy.
Assault rifles are designed for shooting a high volume of rounds in a very short amount of time. This is true for both automatic military assault rifles, as well as semi-automatic assault rifles available to the public. High volume rapid shooting is inherently inaccurate based on the mechanics of these types of guns, the design of their cartridges and the physical abilities of shooters. Accuracy levels needed for target shooting and hunting are of no importance in military use. The military requires multiple bullets hitting a target in a short period of time. Where the bullets hit is less important than hitting and incapacitating an adversary. Hunters almost all the time fire only one bullet to down their prey.
WOW, so much in there! First up, let’s put the big point down first. The 2nd Amendment, and the reason we must protect our gun rights is NOT to shoot ducks and deer. Still there isn’t anything in that whole paragraph that is true. True Assault rifles aren’t designed to get the highest fire down range, they’re designed to shoot quickly, accurately, and be able to lay down covering fire for other troops. The semi-auto variants simply get rid of the full-auto or burst capability. The guns are still amazingly accurate, hence why you see so many AR-15s on the Camp Perry line shooting out to 1,000 Meters.
And hunters only fire one shot? Odd that there are very few popular single-shot hunting rifles out there. Just about everything carried in the field has 3-5 round magazines. Even the most skilled hunters miss, or need a second shot, And that’s assuming your hunting game that is solitary:
Also even if the “Where the bullets hit” nonsense was true, incapacitating the enemy is the core tenant in self-defense. If I break my opponent’s pelvis and they are taken out of the fight that’s a good shoot!
In combat stress conditions, achievement of accuracy by the shooter is greatly diminished. Quantity compensates for inaccuracy in stopping and killing the target, a human being. Military M16 rifles have a setting allowing only 3 shots to be shot automatically at a time. This was done by the military with the understanding of human capabilities. Rapid fire of 3 rounds and more, in as many seconds, has no purpose for a hunter or target shooter.
First If I remember correctly, the 3-round burst on M-16s and M4s in service have mostly been removed in recent years, so there go your facts again. But what the hell are you talking about? Are you claiming that full-auto rifles are being used for hunting? That’s how that reads to me.
Rapid fire physically disallows accurate shooting from both the perspective of the shooter and the gun. Only highly trained sharpshooters can shoot accurately one round every 2 seconds, and with no more than 10 rounds. This is done with non-assault style guns, which are designed for accuracy, shooting in a controlled environment. NRA sanctioned, high power rifle competition matches, using long barrels 22 to 24 inches in length, do not require more than 10 rounds be shot in 60 seconds, and only highly practiced shooters attain scores exceeding 90% in doing this on a repeated basis. Average human reflexes and body dynamics cannot exceed this skill level.
Your argument is invalid. According to this idiot, what you just saw was Hollywood trickery!
Design of the gun’s mechanism to accomplish this affects the accuracy of the gun. Guns designed for accuracy insure the placement of the cartridge in the breech of the gun (firing position at the beginning of the barrel) in the same place every time within tight tolerances. Semi-automatic, assault-style guns are incapable of doing this, otherwise reloading and discharging would be greatly impaired.
I wonder what else he’s an “Expert” in….
Assault style rifles also typically have shorter barrel lengths. This was done to make the gun lighter for infantry troops, and for maneuverability in jungle and similar contained conditions. The original military M16 assault rifles were first used in Vietnam. Here again simple physics apply to their accuracy. The longer the barrel the more accurate the gun. Longer barrel length better stabilizes the trajectory of the bullet. Typical hunting and target shooting rifles have barrel lengths of 20 to 24 inches. Again, hunters and target shooters look for accuracy.
Well first, yeah shorter, lighter, and more maneuverable guns are the name of the game for defensive arms as well as military weapons. Still love all the technical details that aren’t necessarily true. Yes, a longer barrel will give you more velocity and bullet stabilization….but longer barrels also are more prone to “barrel whip” which kills accuracy. A shorter barrel can indeed be MORE accurate.
It should also be noted that the 5.56x45mm cartridge cannot be effectively used for deer hunting, especially in a short-barreled, less-than-accurate weapon. The bullet is not as affective (ability to kill the animal humanely) as larger and heavier bullets and cartridges.
Bullshit!
The 5.56x45mm is much too powerful when used on small animals, as there is too much destruction.
If you’re varminting, and you’re not collecting pelts, who cares? Killing pest animals to preserve your land, your crops, and your livestock, you don’t care how many pieces the end in.
After all, the 5.56x45mm was designed to kill humans. Here’s why.
It was designed for the bullet to impact a person at high velocity and on contact yaw (wobble) and fragment simultaneously. That is, do as much tissue destruction as possible combined with hydrostatic incapacitation to the nervous system.
The 5.56x45mm cartridge and the corresponding semi-automatic guns used to shoot it, are designed specifically for killing humans, and are inappropriate and ineffective for precision target shooting and humane hunting purposes.
Well good, KILLING PEOPLE IS LEGAL under the proper circumstances. It can be a criminal act…but so can killing deer out of season, so that’s moot as well. Also again, if 5.56 semi-autos are inappropriate for target shooting, why do so many nationally ranked target shooters use them?
There is therefore no need for high volume weapons in sport shooting. Anything more than 10 rounds shot from a semi-automatic gun is not needed. If a hunter cannot down his prey in 3 shots, it’s too late and the animal has gotten away. Hunters also never shoot multiple animals in very short periods of time. For personal protection purposes, if more than 10 rounds are needed to stop one or more assailants, it’s too late for the weapon to be any further affective.
So police shouldn’t use 10+ round magazines either? I mean if they can’t take down an assailant in 10 rounds, those 17 rounds in their Glock are pointless, as are the 30 rounds in their “Patrol Rifle”…let alone the spare magazines they carry!
As a further aside, it is interesting that shot guns used for shooting ducks and geese are federally mandated to hold no more than 3 shells. There has been no movement to repeal that.
This is the biggest head-scratcher for me. I know there are regulations where a magazine needs to be limited for hunting…but in shotguns this is usually limited with a removable plug. You can pull the plug and there is no law you’re breaking. WTF is he talking about?
Still, there is a LOT of talk about hunting and target shooting. Why? If you want to target shoot or hunt, do it with whatever gun you want that is legal for the hunt. Hunting is a game, and games have rules.
Self-defense isn’t a game, and the only rules you need to play with is the standard self-defense rules that apply as much to your fists as your rifle. Beyond that, better to have good guns and good magazines.
Funny that these fools are still beating this drum.
My Buddy the Surplus Dealer just got notified by PayPal this morning that they will no longer allow Hi-Cap Magazine Sales to be processed by them. It’s not just him, but the Big Boys also. Also, it doesn’t matter where it goes or who’s buying it, the sale is Blocked. Help spread the word, okay?
Doesn’t matter if its dealer-to-dealer, or into a free-state where not only are these magazines allowed, but the police have openly said they will not enforce new federal anti-gun laws.
This isn’t just a political move, but a STUPID political move.
Just what we need, make nicotine as illegal as pain killers. We’ll get just what we have with those drugs, gangs selling them in black markets, and enforcing their market with violence rather than law.
I’m amazed at how many people think that prohibition was the “Good Old Days”.
A 27-year-old Oskaloosa man has been given life in prison for killing his mother’s boyfriend….Arterburn was convicted in October of first-degree murder, which carries a mandatory life sentence.
Prosecutors say Arterburn used a battle ax and a knife to kill the 58-year-old Horovitz, of Davenport, on June 19, 2011, at the home Arterburn shared with his mother.
An actual “Weapon of War” that is only designed for killing people. Hey, but we should focus our attention on guns which are designed for lots of practical purposes that don’t involve killing, right?
The Arkansas Senate is voting on legislation that would allow concealed handguns in churches, the first of several gun-related measures expected in this year’s session.
The Senate on Thursday planned to vote on a proposal by Republican Sen. Bryan King of Green Forest that would remove churches from the list of places where concealed weapons are prohibited. King’s proposal would leave it up to churches and other places of worship to determine whether to allow concealed handguns and who can carry them.
The “No Guns in Church” thing is a Southern thing, Northern states rarely have similar laws, and I suspect a good crop of Southern states don’t have it either. Hell in Massachusetts and other Colonial states it was actually ILLEGAL for able-bodied men to come UNARMED to Church (PDF).
The school police force in this Southern California city has acquired 14 high-powered semiautomatic rifles for officers to bring to campuses.
Fontana Unified School District police purchased 14 of the Colt LE6940 rifles last fall, and they were delivered the first week of December, a week before a gunman killed 26 students and educators at a Connecticut elementary school.
“I think it just further solidified the need to give our officers the tools they need to respond to an active shooter on campus,” schools Police Chief Billy Green said Wednesday about the tragedy.
But active shooters generally act alone, and in the odd Columbine scenario in a pair, why do they NEED those 30 round magazines? To the Police plan to murder children?
Of course not, those Colt AR-15s are great defensive weapons, and the gun you should reach for if you KNOW shots are being fired, and you want as much ammo as you can carry, because you can always return home, safe-and-sound, with ammo to spare.
The question is, what about an “Active Shooter” in my home or property? What about a gang of men armed with knives and clubs? Don’t I have the same need for the same tools?
