Again, Anti-Rights, not Anti-Gun

CSGV links this article again showing that they REALLY don’t like that icky due-process thing.

During this traffic stop, police find a handgun and some powder cocaine inside the car. Almaguer says the gangs have learned how to structure their crews so that at least one of them can be legally armed.

One member of a crew will have a concealed weapons permit, allowing them to be armed.

In Florida, anyone can get a gun permit as long as they have not been convicted of a crime. In some cases, Almaguer claimed, individuals may have multiple of arrests, but they get to keep their gun permit until they have an actual conviction.

So you end up with a situation where one guy holds the gun, another guy holds the dope, and a third guy drives.

“And there is nothing you can do about it because [the guy with the gun] has no convictions,” Almaguer said. “They’ve figured out the system and still have a firearm on them.”

The traffic stop ends with the guy holding the cocaine going to jail while the man with the concealed weapons permit was given back his gun and let go.

Now the whole article is slanted in a really peculiar way. There are lots of stories of “Gang Members”, but how do they know? They got a guy carrying Cocaine (probably not much given that the driver wasn’t charged), and one guy carrying a gun legally.

Sorry Johnny Five-Oh, but we have laws and due process for a reason. If you can’t charge them with a crime for shit this minor, we don’t need to make more shit illegal, you need to work harder to catch REAL crime. Of course we all know that cops prefer simple traffic stops, and pinching college students at parties to cruising the inner city streets. I’m sure they’d also like to get rid of the 4th and 5th Amendments too, because it would make things easier for them too!

Also, let’s just take a cynical look at this alleged “Gang Member”. They have no felony convictions, they aren’t committing any actual crimes, they really don’t sound like much of a big fish to be letting go. Also if this is indeed some “gang system”, the man with the gun has it for commission of a crime. There’s an easy solution, Just watch the bastard for when he commits a crime, so say the guy with the drugs sells them and pays the driver and the gunner for their services!

Now let’s take a cynical look. I just got back from a class. The average day involved the lab van picking us up at the Hotel and taking us to class. I’d never met any of my fellow classmates before. I don’t know if any of them had prior convictions, criminal associations, or were carrying any contraband. None of them knew I was carrying a gun. That’s fine that way, its none of their business and none of mine. Say our van had a busted tail light and we got stopped, should I lose my rights?

Well in the case of anti-rights people, yeah, whatever it takes. In the case of “task force” cops, the more arrests they make, the more they can justify their budget.

We have laws for a reason, and we have due process for a reason. If you don’t like it, well screw you! There are plenty of violent Police States in the world that would LOVE to have you!

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0 Responses to Again, Anti-Rights, not Anti-Gun

  1. Tango says:

    Why do we need that Due Process?

    Because FUCK YOU!

    • Weerd Beard says:

      While a great meme, I’d say we have some REALLY solid footing on why we don’t need to be a police state! 8)

      • Yea… but it’s fun to say anyway.

        While due process is the right argument, it just doesn’t make a very strong impression. In the USA today, most people are too dumb to understand what due process is, let alone why they would want it. It’s the same with probable cause. To arrest, search etc, a LEO has to have probable cause, but when you bring it up, people just go all dull-eyed and change the subject. With “Oh yea… fuck you that’s why” at least it feels like you are getting through even if you haven’t said anything.


  2. Jack says:

    Due Process? That sounds like something a guilty person would talk about.

    Seriously, I think Linoge is right. The Antis have a serious “compartmentalization” going on at work here.

    They’re so angry that someone somewhere could legally have a gun and *not* be an only one that they’ll eagerly grease the skids to a Police State. Course it helps that they approve of the whole idea.

    Also I think Stu is right. There’s something nice and compact with the Why? Because Fuck you!

    That free citizens can say that back to the Antis is exactly why they want us disarmed, registered, and penned.
    But I suppose useful idiots never learn what happens after the Glorious Revolution.

  3. Ratus says:

    Here is a denial of Due Process cherry on top of your infringement sundae.

    “The detective said he needed to check on the status of his permit with the state and wouldn’t be able to do that until morning.

    FL 790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.—
    (7) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall maintain an automated listing of licenseholders and pertinent information, and such information shall be available online, upon request, at all times to all law enforcement agencies through the Florida Crime Information Center.

    So “available …at all times to all law enforcement agencies” means something different to the Miami-Dade Police Department.

    It’s lies like this that make people not like cops.

    Also some background on the reporter. Worked at the local paper, got fired
    after the suicide of a local County Commissioner.

  4. Greg Camp says:

    Um, isn’t carrying a gun during the commission of a crime also a crime? I was of the understanding that if everyone in the car is in on the action, everyone is at risk of getting charged, but perhaps that was just my mother’s message to keep me on the straight and narrow. Weer’d’s scenario would be different, since those other people in the van aren’t his “known associates” from a “criminal enterprise.” All that being said, if this really is a case of the cops respecting rights, good for them.

  5. Ratus says:

    Also you can carry in your car without a permit.

    FL 790.25 Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.—
    (5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.—Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.

    790.001 Definitions.—
    (17) “Securely encased” means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access.

  6. Tango says:

    I wonder if we should start talking about the actual definition of Due Process (in layman’s terms) when we argue that point? Due Process is easy to understand if you look at the definition of the two words individually… but can we expect the lesser portion of politics to do that?

    Instead, we need to tell them to find someone guilty (or mentally incompetent), then punish them (or remove their right[s]) accordingly. We HAVE to dumb this stuff down for them. Put the argument square in front of their face so they cannot ignore it and if they try to, we rub their nose in it like a dog that’s pissed in the corner. I don’t really do that to a dog, but you get the idea…

    Due process is there for a reason. I know that and you know that. It’s time these Peterson sufferers do as well.

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