Really busy and didn’t get a ton of sleep last night, so blogging might be a bit light today. So I’ll just go to the orchard of low-hanging fruit:
Bryan- I have conceded that point to you. I hold permit holders to a higher standard because they are carrying deadly weapons that can result in death and injury. One violent crime committed by a permit holder is one too many. You guys are supposed to be law abiding folks. That was the deal when the law was passed. And yet, in many states, people who have committed misdemeanors are allowed to carry guns. Dangerously mentally ill people get permits. They shouldn’t. The laws are too loose. We don’t need people with guns walking around in public. Prevention is better than taking a chance. You guys have not made us any safer. That is also very true. You have no proof otherwise. So we could easily go back to May Issue laws and we would be none the worse for it and we wouldn’t be taking a chance on giving out permits to people who are potentially irresponsible with guns. Permit holders shouldn’t be committing any crimes. They are supposed to be law abiding.
What’s really neat is permit holders ARE held to higher standards. Most infractions done by somebody with a carry permit result in a permanent revocation of the permit, and often felony charges that carry serious jail time. She’s “Conceding the Point” (quotes, because not really, she’s just moving the goal posts in the face of facts) because this WORKS. I really don’t think people with permits are saints or better people than those without guns or permits. Just the stakes are SO much higher, that people heed the law much more stringently.
Also isn’t it nice that Joan holds US more accountable than her own compatriots? Permit holders should be following the law at 100% while gun control activists commit crimes, and cozy up with criminals.
Meanwhile she’s complaining about people with misdemeanors or arrests with no convictions. And of course I’d love to see how we’re supposed to stop people with undiagnosed mental conditions, or conditions that are only known within a Doctor’s confidence (which is required to be broken if the Doctor is concerned about crimes or dangers). I suspect Joan wants her band of felons and lunatics to have access to our private information. Anti-freedom, not anti-gun!
And on a similar tin-ear vein:
Your article proves nothing. To even use the word positive experience with carrying a loaded gun around in public is an oxymoron. What has been positive about it? The article shows nothing new. Crime is going down all over the U.S. and it has nothing provable to do with people carrying guns. In fact, since crime is going down, you guys really don’t need your guns in public do you? Gun deaths and injuries remain about the same as they have been for the past 10 years or so. There has been no reduction in gun deaths due to people carrying guns. In fact, some of the permit holders have been shooting people in public places, accounting for some of the deaths.
So she’s repeating the boilerplate from the previous comment. Mouth open, mind closed! “Common Sense”…yeah!
Still what is interesting is that permits are WAYYY up, states with shall-issue permits, liberalized carry laws, and permit-less carry are at a record high. Gun sales, and new people joining the gun owning populous are at an all-time high….and crime is at its lowest in DECADES, even with a crappy economy and record high unemployment!
She’s right about the “Gun Death” numbers, its roughly 30,000 every year. Its been the same for decades, hell I’m amused that this number is quoted in “Runaway Jury” that’s a decade old, and it was the very same number I cited back when I was on the anti-gun side.
Obviously carry permits have nothing to do with this number, nor the number of guns in private hands, or the availability of “military-style” guns or ammunition magazines. We all know that correlation does NOT equal causation, but causation cannot exist without correlation. Hey but Joan isn’t going to be stopped by logic, reason, or rationality! She has “Common Sense”, don’t you know!
Of course there IS a correlation that more people carrying and owning guns and crime going down. It may not be a causation, but it very well could be. Certainly it isn’t HURTING, so I think I’ll err on the side of liberty and carry my damn guns.
Joan never errs on the side of liberty, because she HATES it with all her being.