The Big Lie

So Miguel and many others are expressing distaste in this image:

It’s fake, it’s stupid, and it does our side no good. Still it’s amazing what the other side will say:

Warning. Gun sales to felons domestic abusers, terrorists and those who are adjudicated mentally ill people are legal in America. Yes. It’s true.


After the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012, Congress had an opportunity to expand background checks at the federal level.

First up the Sandy Hook shooting was done with STOLEN guns. Here in Massachusetts we have “Universal Background Checks”, and oddly enough criminals and other undesirable elements still get guns. They break multiple laws to do so, and they don’t care. Still to own a gun here you need to pay several hundred dollars to get a permit, and re-up $100 every 5 years to keep above board. You know, to keep those poor people in crime-infested neighborhoods disarmed. Maybe they could afford an old S&W Model 10 or a used shotgun, or maybe they could have inherited one from a friend or family member, but they’d be spending so much money just to legally own it, let alone shoot it (requiring gun club membership and dues in the Eastern part of the state).

Meanwhile the deceptions offered by the corporate gun lobby when they oppose common sense gun measures need to be exposed for what they are. Let’s be clear. Expanding background checks to private sales will not lead to gun registration or gun confiscation. The fact that these same background checks performed in millions of gun sales since the Brady law passed in 1994 have not led to gun registration or confiscation lends the lie to the assertions by the gun lobby.

Except it has. There is a national registry, in places where there are private sales it isn’t an actionable one, but in places where “Universal Background checks” have been passed there sure was confiscation. Further Joan WANTS there to be door-to-door confiscation, like her above statements, she is LYING!

Gun background checks save lives. Why? Because if we just let anyone legally buy guns, then just about anyone and everyone will legally buy guns. The thing is, just about anyone CAN legally buy guns in the U.S. because we aren’t stopping them.

Yep again a LIE! It is NOT legal for prohibited people to buy guns. It is a crime for them to acquire or own a gun in any means, so what’s one more law for them to break going to do.

Also note she cites NOTHING claiming it SAVES lives. It saves lives BECAUSE SHE SAYS SO. Oh and she’s a liar, so we know how good her word is.

He wasn’t supposed to have a gun but have a gun he did. How did he get it? There are ways. As the gun rights extremists say, criminals will always find a way to get a gun. But why in the world do we make it easy for them to get guns? Yes there is a black market for guns but how did those guns get into the black market in the first place given that all guns start out as legal purchases?

There, she tips her hat quite a bit. This law won’t stop ANYBODY from getting a gun who wants one badly enough to break the law for it. Same way people get illegal drugs. So yeah, the law will do little to deter those who are already breaking the law, or who plan to break more serious laws, like the law against murder.

As for all guns starting out as legal purchases. That isn’t true. Criminals hire straw buyers, and we have stories like this. But still note what Joan is getting at. She isn’t concerned about background checks, she’s concerned about PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMS.

Again, she wants them all confiscated.

So again, the Brady law passed in 1994. Since that time, federally licensed firearms dealers (FFLs) have been submitting records of sales to the FBI’s National Instant Check System. It takes a few minutes for the person on the phone to approve or disapprove of a gun sale. Since the law passed, about 2 million people have been stopped from buying a gun from a FFL. But now, due to the insane number of guns being purchased, the system is overtaxed and flawed, allowing some who may not be legally able to buy a gun to get one anyway. Clearly we need to fix the system and then expand what we are doing. Lives depend on us getting this right. At the least, we need to make sure all of the records of felons, adjudicated mentally ill people and domestic abusers are sent to the FBI background check system.

Another lie . Further she cites the system being “overtaxed”, but her “Solution” is to tax it more by requiring MORE purchases to go through that same system. She’s talking pure anarchy at this point.

Just pure lies, but it’s for the sake of an evil agenda, so it’s worth it to her!

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5 Responses to The Big Lie

  1. Bob S. says:

    Even the National Institute of Justice recognizes that universal background checks will not reduce death or crime without firearm registration

    Universal background checks
    Twitter summary: Effectiveness depends on the ability to reduce straw purchasing, requiring gun registration and an easy gun transfer process

    A perfect universal background check system can address the gun shows and might deter many unregulated private sellers. However, this does not address the largest sources (straw purchasers and theft), which would most likely become larger if background checks at gun shows and private sellers were addressed. The
    secondary market is the primary source of crime guns. Ludwig and Cook (2000) compared states that introduced Brady checks to those states that already had background checks and found no effect of the new background checks. They hypothesized that the background checks simply shifted to the secondary
    market those offenders who normally purchased in the primary market.

    Again from the same memo

    Require all gun transfers to occur at an FFL
    Some states, such as California, require all transfers of guns to be properly documented (since 1923). This usually requires the involvement of a federally licensed dealer in the transaction. Despite this, straw purchasing continues largely unabated.

    Joan has shown her true colors many times.

    I still remember this exchange:

    Or in response to this question from me.

    How few murders have to be committed with firearms before the push for new, more restrictive laws ends?

    And Joan’s reply was

    japete said…
    December 16, 2010 9:13 AM

    Clearly stating she will not stop pushing for new restrictive laws because we know there will never been Zero murders with firearms.

    • TS says:

      I don’t think she would stop at zero. There have been zero murders with .50BMG chambered guns, but that doesn’t stop her from wanting to ban them.

      • Jack/OH says:

        TS, you got it, bro’. A very tiny fraction of guns is used in unlawful killings; an even tinier fraction of cartridges. Still, the anti-rights zombies go on with their bureaucracy-hugging, regulation- and restriction-loving, bogus moralism, and freedom-choking proposals. You gotta wonder who’s actually obsessed with guns?

  2. TS says:

    It takes a few minutes for the person on the phone to approve or disapprove of a gun sale.

    Love how she discounts the time to fill out the paperwork, not to mention the time it takes to needlessly be forced to travel to a gun dealer to sell your gun. Why not just say it only takes a few milliseconds for the computer to process and return a yes or no answer?

    • Weerd Beard says:

      Yeah I mentioned that in the linked Brady Bill post where they claim that it takes “60 Seconds” to complete a background check. Takes about an hour before I’m out the door when I walk into a gun shop KNOWING they have the gun I’ll buy.

      I bought my FAL in New Hampshire because the shop had a good deal on a gun that was ban-compliant. 45mins both ways, I probably spent 20 mins kicking tires to make sure i got the one I wanted, and then about an hour of paperwork and standing around. That was a long night!

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