Dropped Gun Discharge

The video is a bit graphic, so watch at your own discretion. Still it’s just a bit of blood, so it isn’t really gross.

Now of course the general rule is when you hear a story about a dropped gun that “Just Went Off” is to be skeptical. Almost all guns out there are drop safe, and the technology is fairly old, so dropping a gun generally won’t cause it to discharge. Of course nothing is perfect, say you have a Springfield 1911 that is a drop-safe pistol due to a light firing pin, and a heavy firing pin spring. If you drop this gun while loaded and the safety off it still may discharge due to the shock of the impact causing the trigger to recoil in it’s channel and trip the sear. Still the lighter the trigger (like the common skeletonized or cross-drilled aluminum one, or the even lighter polymer triggers) it make take quite the drop to still touch off the gun.

Still not all guns are drop-safe. Let’s look at what we know from this case. It was a .32 Revolver, and the gentleman jokes that he’s 28 years old because he is MUCH older. While there are still revolvers being made in .32 chamberings, the most common being .32 H&R Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum, I suspect this might be an older gun in the plethora of old .32 Chamberings.

If it was a double-action gun it very well might not have had the common transfer bar safety or hammer block safety like we see. It could have also been a single-action gun, which generally don’t have a drop safety of any kind, and people aware of this only load 5 rounds in a 6-shot gun, with the hammer over the empty chamber.

In either cases if the firing pin was resting on the primer, it doesn’t take much force to touch-off that round:

Also another interesting thing is the angle of the wound. Given that he was getting into a car, either his leg was at an angle, or the gun landed on the door sill or some other angled protrusion, and since it doesn’t take that much force to pop a primer, so really many angles are possible.

Last there is some talk about if he had accidentally had the revolver cocked, but as you see in the video (I also pulled out my Colt with a transfer bar, and one of my Smiths with the hammer block, and confirmed this) if you drop a drop-safe revolver with the hammer cocked the force of the impact might cause the trigger to recoil hard enough to trip the sear, but the drop safeties will engage as the trigger returns causing the hammer to impact the block or the frame before it can deliver it’s energy to the primer.

I personally have a few guns in my collection that are NOT drop safe due to them being older guns. These are NOT my carry guns, and they are not guns I teach new shooters with. Likely if you don’t have any guns older than you are, you probably don’t have any guns that aren’t drop safe, but you should be aware of how your gun works.

Also remember NEVER try to catch a falling gun, as it is a very real possibility that you may catch the trigger and all bets are off. It’s up to you, but even with my non drop-safe guns, it might even be a smarter move and take your chances with the gun falling than risk pulling the trigger. Some guns need to fall on the hammer to accidentally discharge, with a gun like the M1911 pattern that was not made with a drop-safety of some sort it needs to fall directly on the muzzle.

Be safe out there.

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History

Just doing some reading on the SIG P210.

I wanted to see what short-recoil action it was using, and I dug up this video:

Look at that! Remember this photo?

Kahr Parts

I noted in the review of my PM45 that that kidney-shaped recoil cam was first seen in the CZ-75, I guess I was wrong, as it appears that SIG was likely the first on this action.

Stuff like that is interesting to me!

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“Gun Death” New Year’s Stampeed

In China!

A stampede killed at least 35 people and injured 43 during New Year’s Eve celebrations in Shanghai, on the city’s famed waterfront tourist strip known as the Bund, authorities said.

The Shanghai government said that large crowds started to stampede in Chen Yi Square on the Bund just before midnight, with authorities working to rescue and aid the wounded.

Thankfully China has banned guns!

H/T Roadkill

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Play Me Out: Kaleigh Baker

For those who aren’t familiar with the original here it is:

Since the original is essentially the artist singing into the mic, I was hoping Kaleigh would bring out her amazing pipes in this one. Oh well.

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I’ve Said It Before

But Jeff Says it with a better accent!

here here!

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Quote of the Day: Joan Peterson

Joan takes a break from her normal crowing to tell us that warm stinky fluid running down our backs is rain!

First of all, “anti-gun groups”? No. Not true. We are anti gun violence. We are not pushing legislation that will infringe on gun rights. That is just nonsense. At some level I believe the NRA even knows this. But they continue their nonsensical statements in the face of tragedies.

Let that one sink in for a second. No the organizations that Joan is either a part of, or politically aligned with are NOT Anti-gun! They are NOT infringing on our rights!

Would confiscating lawfully held guns not be either “anti-gun” or infringing on our rights? Joan is openly for that!

Heck I did a whole podcast segment on this tactic! If you didn’t listen to that episode, give it a listen, and if you just want a refresher my segment starts at the 45min mark. Also have a look at my show notes in the link for the extent of this tactic. She is OPENLY anti-gun and anti-freedom, but is not against blatantly lying about her motives.

Hell just before she she claimed to not be anti-gun she said this in the above linked post:

If all of the 80 shooting incidents ( homicides, suicides and accidental discharges) got the attention the mass shootings or other high profile shootings got, I believe we would be doing something differently today. The fact that we have done nothing different since the Brady background check bill was enacted in 1994 and the Assault Weapons Ban was allowed to lapse in 2004 says something very important about us.

We can argue about how much the Brady Bill infringes on our rights, of course it would be tough to claim it has done ANYTHING to curb gun violence, heck Joan’s groups are trying to expand what the Brady Bill does to EVERY gun transfer BECAUSE it doesn’t work. Still can ANYBODY say that the 1994 “Assault Weapon” ban wasn’t both anti-gun and anti-rights? It denied what guns could be sold to citizens, meanwhile still allowing police to have these vary guns, not because there was any sort of an “Arms Race” between cops and criminals, but because they’re the best tools for the job. It was so anti-freedom the country rejected the law and allowed it to sunset in 2004!

Also the idea that these groups are “Anti-gun violence” is laughable. Well maybe more sneer-worthy as they are perfectly content to have high violent crime, so long as we have low “Gun Death”. When it comes to public safety the antis are unconcerned. Actually given how low the violent crime rate has been over the last few years, coupled with the number of lawful gun owners and concealed carry holders, the antis have been doing EVERYTHING they can to trumping up violent crime stories to give the illusion that things are getting worse out there. They’re succeeding at that!

Why would Joan be an “anti Gun-violence” advocate, but not be concerned with the reality of public safety in America?

Yeah because her and her groups aren’t concerned about violence, they’re concerned about banning guns, and infringing on the 2nd Amendment.

That isn’t rain running down our backs, Joan….

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“Gun Death” Family Strangling

Another sick one:

A Dallas teen strangled his 5-year-old cousin Sunday, then dumped her body in a vacant apartment unit near his own, police said.

No motive given…and of course this has NOTHING to do with anything:

Authorities believe the murder suspect came into the country illegally about a year ago and have issued an immigration hold, along with a charge of capital murder of a person under 6 years old.

Doesn’t care about the sanctity of the United States borders, and oddly also doesn’t seem to care about killing a little girl…

Hey but not a “gun Death” so lighten up, y’all!

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New Year’s Anti-Gun Fisk

So this is a pretty amusing anti-gun article. Let’s fisk it!

New Year’s Resolutions for the NRA

1. We will stop referring to ourselves as a “civil rights” organization that defends “human rights.” It is a sacrilege to people actually killed or harmed by civil and human rights abuses.

Sorry but the Right To Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right. The NRA is a Civil Rights group. Still let’s play a little game. Let’s look at the quintessential 20th Century civil rights group: The NAACP. What have they said about the violent riots in Ferguson, or really other places like LA that were almost exclusively perpetrated by blacks? How about the anti-police violent protests that have happened in the wake of the death of Eric Garner, and the execution of two police officers in New York? How about the HUGE issue of black-on-black crime in our inner cities.

Yeah, go fuck yourself!

We will stop pointing at Chicago and saying gun laws don’t work. We will admit the majority of Chicago crime guns are trafficked from states and counties with loose laws.

Ok so trafficked from other states? NOPE! Illinois crime guns are coming from Illinois, and the time-to-crime time is over 10 years. This isn’t trafficking. Also what counties in Illinois have “loose laws”? Sorry, but that’s like saying my relatively permissive town in Mass has “loose laws”. Yes the local police don’t treat me like shit because I’m a gun owner, but there’s only so much they can do for me and my right to keep and bear arms.

We will stop saying “the government is going to take your guns” to block federal laws. The confiscation we announced 7 years ago never happened.

But you, and other anti-gunners WANT to confiscate all lawfully held guns. Sorry, you aren’t putting my concerns at ease….

We will stop blaming “mental health” problems for U.S. gun violence. We admit every country in the world has mental health problems but they don’t have Newtowns and Virginia Techs.

No, they have WORSE!

We admit fighting universal background checks arms criminals and that armed criminals sells more guns to “good guys.” Ka-ching.

Yeah, see Illinois, and Massachusetts. Criminals break the law, so adding one more law, while ignoring enforcement with existing laws which are more than adequate is letting your partisan flag show!

We acknowledge that “outlaws” don’t have guns in the 28 EU countries, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Japan and other countries with strict gun regulations. We also admit, grudgingly, they are not “tyrannies.”

BULLSHIT! Any research will show the criminal elements in EVERY country are armed. In countries with HEAVY restrictions on guns, the criminals smuggle MILITARY hardware rather than bother with stolen civilian guns.

We will stop our insulting comparison of guns to knives, hammers, cars and swimming pools–none of which kill when used as directed. On the same day as the Sandy Hook massacre, 20 Chinese school children were attacked with a knife and none died.

Yet there have been many more school stabbings that have killed MORE than Sandy Hook, and pools and hammers still kill more people than guns, so your point is shallow and smug.

We accept responsibility for the armed vigilante movement popularized by George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn. We admit “concealed carry” laws are the biggest revenue infusion since “Obama is going to take your guns.”

You are a lunatic!

We will stop defending sales to civilians of non-defensive weapons like TrackingPoint’s “can’t miss” sniper rifle. We admit they are ready-made for insurrectionists, terrorists and hate groups.

Yep, because there have been so many problems with this rifle….lunatic!

We regret our work to help suspected domestic abusers keep their guns while under orders of protection. We admit this costs many women’s lives and that our sleazy sales pitch to tell women to arm themselves too just makes things worse.

Ungh….man you think a LOT of yourself…..

And then there’s this:

Comments are closed.

Anti-gunners are ALL the same!

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About That Woman Shot By Her Son in Wal Mart

We’ve all read the story, and it was a really sad case. A woman was shopping in Wal Mart in Idaho, when her son reached into her purpose-designed carry purse, got hold of her gun and fatally shot her.

I haven’t commented on that story because my commentary is VERY simple. #1. I’m so sorry for the family, and #2 there really is no such thing as safe off-body carry. Now you can carry in a device like a fanny pack or a purse just as safely as on the belt, but these devices MUST be carried like an on-body holster at ALL TIMES.

Fun story, my wife got her NRA Basic Pistol safety class from a friend of mine who works for the Second Amendment Sisters. After the class she was all excited to talk about the things she learned. I mentioned to her that her instructor carries ALL the time. She said “Really? I didn’t see it?”, I responded “Did she have a purse on her?” Then she mentioned that she had noticed that the purse NEVER left her shoulder the whole class, which she did find a bit odd.

Now I found this article through Joan Peterson’s twitter. I don’t know what Joan was thinking, but really it’s a solid article.

Rutledge’s death raises questions about America’s obsession with guns. First of all, it should be noted that one of the most sought after changes in gun laws, would not have prevented this particular gun death. Rutledge was a concealed carry permit holder. She passed the background check with flying colors.

Secondly, we should dismiss the notion that simply by taking gun safety classes, we create responsible gun owners. Veronica Rutledge had extensive training and had passed the required gun safety courses.

It is also important to recognize that Rutledge was not unintelligent. She was the valedictorian of her high school class. She worked as a nuclear research scientist at the Idaho National Laboratory.

Rutledge didn’t die because we don’t have enough gun laws. She also didn’t die because she was a fearful, “bitter clinger”. One of her friends even acknowledges that Idaho has a low crime rate. She adds that Veronica carried her loaded gun not out of fear, but “because she was raised around guns”.

Really I think the bigger issue that eluded the author was that guns are a very mature technology, and shooting is very established, but CARRY is still relatively new to most Americans, and some of the more advanced means of carry are quite new. It really hasn’t been THAT long that purpose-built purses for concealed carry have been around in common use, so the idea that you can’t treat this purse like the purse you’ve ALWAYS had is still a fairly novel concept.

The solution is more training, and more talk of concealed carry as popular culture.

It is this comfort around guns that killed Veronica Rutledge. The attitude of gun advocates who carry guns each day has become so nonchalant and lackadaisical that it invites tragedy. The Rutledge family by all accounts is a loving, caring family who would protect their kids. Veronica Rutledge probably strapped her child into a car seat to drive him to Walmart. She probably kept hazardous chemicals and choking hazards out of reach of her child. But surrounded by the gun culture in Idaho, she failed to take reasonable precautions to keep her loaded gun away from that child.

I mostly agree with this. While I don’t think people who should carry SHOULDN’T be comfortable with the gun, but I see carrying in a similar fashion to driving a car. You don’t need to be gripping the wheel with white knuckles, but you always need to be aware of the car and the dangers it represents. Even that isn’t a fair analogy, as a car poses a MUCH more significant danger than a holstered firearm, but since we all drive, it’s a good thinking point.

Still I’m not here to talk about reasonable responses to this tragic event:

Every day as parents, we make rational choices regarding our family’s safety: we buckle our children’s seatbelts, make them wear bicycle helmets, and teach them to look both ways before crossing the street. But when it comes to gun safety, many parents do not take the same logical approach.

Many parents bring a gun into the home legally with no intent of doing harm. Many think they’re doing their family a service by offering protection. Yet these guns cause the majority of gun deaths and injuries. Tragedies could be avoided if parents would only take simple steps to ensure that these guns are not accessible to their children. If we don’t start doing something about children’s access to guns, not only are these tragedies likely to continue, so will the hundreds of suicides and unintentional shootings that take place in homes across the country each year.

A gun in the home is a significant risk factor for homicide, suicide, and unintentional shootings, according to the Brady Center’s recent report “The Truth About Kids and Guns,” which shows that one out of three homes with children has guns, many left unlocked or loaded.

Now of course what they mean by “Do Something” they aren’t speaking the same language as I am. I’m talking better training and information on the risks of carry to keep simple mistakes like this from happening. The “Progressives” just want MORE LAWS, which is total crap.

Still let’s look at this article where they talk about the real numbers of the risks:

According to federal data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), an average of 62 children aged 14 and under died each year in unintentional shootings between 2007 and 2011.

…There are studies that support the undercount, though they differ on the degree to which the figures are unreported. A 2013 New York Times investigation found that accidental shootings occurred roughly twice as often as the records indicate.

So 62 accidental deaths in 4 years. That’s 15.5 deaths per year! That’s a ROUNDING ERROR, not a real danger when you consider the population of this country and the number of people who own guns and have kids. Even if you take the New York Time’s speculation into effect that’s only 31 deaths per year. It’s sad, it’s tragic, but it’s also not a big problem:

Brady’s report states that in Idaho, the estimated percent of loaded and unlocked household firearms among adults with a child under 18 is 5.2 percent. The report adds that in Idaho, the estimated number of children (0-17) living with unlocked and loaded firearms is 17,030.

So IDAHO alone has an estimation by the antis 17,030 children who are “At Risk”, but the number of fatal shootings is only in the double digits. That really tells the whole story!

So be safe out there, but don’t be fearful, just have respect for the firearm because they ARE dangerous, but so are most aspects of life.

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Images of the Antis: Partisan Ignorance

Back in the 90s gun control was a bi-partisan issue. Both Democrats and Republicans worked to ban guns together.

The bans were crap, and the voters found out, so now support for the 2nd Amendment how it’s WRITTEN, not just owning guns to shoot ducks and deer, is a bi-partisan issue. The only people who are calling for banning guns are the “Progressives”, and they frequently let that partisan nature show.

Baldr PlanB

So let’s look at the two GLARING factual errors. First up NOBODY is “selling guns to 5 year olds”, it’s illegal, and as much issues as I have with many aspects of GCA ’68, nobody is working to repeal it on any side of the political scene.

Second let’s look at PlanB emergency contraceptive:

After the FDA did not approve Teva’s application to make Plan B One-Step available over-the-counter for all females of reproductive age in December 2011, the company submitted an amended application to make the product available for women 15 years of age and older without a prescription.

The product will now be labeled “not for sale to those under 15 years of age *proof of age required* not for sale where age cannot be verified.” Plan B One-Step will be packaged with a product code prompting a cashier to request and verify the customer’s age. A customer who cannot provide age verification will not be able to purchase the product. In addition, Teva has arranged to have a security tag placed on all product cartons to prevent theft.

In addition, Teva will make the product available in retail outlets with an onsite pharmacy, where it generally, will be available in the family planning or female health aisles. The product will be available for sale during the retailer’s normal operating hours whether the pharmacy is open or not.

This was NOT pressed by Republicans (tho some of the ones who still delve into other people’s bedrooms did make statements about it) it was pressed by the drug maker. Plan B is a relatively safe drug, and the company that makes it wanted it to be an over-the-counter rather than a prescription drug. The FDA didn’t agree, and it was released as a prescription drug. Two years later Teva got an amendment on the drug’s FDA classification making it over-the-counter, but only to people aged 15 or older. Further this amendment will be enforced by positive ID.

This is FDA law, not any sort of partisan bill passed through congress on any side.

Hey, but it’s all “Republican Hypocrisy”, not because of any evidence, but because extremist “Progressive” gun banners hate Republicans.

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