So over at Joan’s Place Michael Bonomo lays it all down. (Link to Joan’s blog, and I respectfully ask all not to feed the troll)
For any attempts at eliminating straw purchasing gun registration is pretty much essential.
I say we go all the way. License every gun owner, register every weapon, require background checks for any transfers. Everyone would be responsible for the guns they own and they must maintain possession of them.
Straw purchasers who cannot produce the weapon when renewal of the registration comes around, go to jail.
Do you really think this problem would continue under circumstances like that?
Of course Mike likes Joan’s blog because her comment moderation makes certain that any honest debate won’t happen. Also Mike fails to point out how exactly registration will happen in the first place. There are Millions (if not a billion) privately owned guns out there that are not registered. Hell there’s a huge number of people who might say “Oh I don’t own any guns”, simply because that S&W Model 10, or Winchester Model 70, or Mauser Bring-back or chipmunk .22 in their attics, basements, and closets don’t even occur to them. Moreover if somebody doesn’t want to comply with such a draconian law (and why would we?) How would anybody know if said house has a gun or not?
Hell I’ve heard stories of people who bought a Massachusetts FID card back in the days when it was a one-time deal and the cards did not have an expiration date. When Mass reneged and declared that permits were only good for 5 years and required renewal, they simply didn’t bother. The same could happen anywhere. “No officer no guns here. If you’d like to come back with a warrant I’ll show you around…”
Of course Mr. Bonomo has suggested door-to-door searches in the past, as well.
Now I make it a point not to bother with this troll, in the end Michael Bonomo is an admitted criminal, an internet troll, and frankly somebody I believe to be mentally ill. The fact that he says something totalitarian and oppressive means very little. People say crazy things all the time.
Now here’s the kicker. Watch to see if Joan Peterson, Board member of the Brady Campaign and chair of Joyce foundation groups will exercise some “Common Sense” to tell Michael Bonomo (Chairman of little consequence) that his idea is nothing but a pipe dream of the insane, that will do nothing but inflame common gun owners, and add credibility to the arguments made by pro-rights advocates.
Again, all we need to do is read between the lines and we’ll quickly see that there ARE no anti-gun propositions too absurd. If it maligns, criminalizes, fines, harrasses, restricts or otherwise annoys peaceful gun owners, it is acceptable and “Common Sense”
They have all the proof they need here in the draconian state of MA but MA hasn’t yet done the door to door search to confirm the FA10s
are indeed accurate.
the Brady bunch is enguaging in magical thinking trying to find the majik bullet to use against guns. I think they would be happy
if all guns were made somehow unusable by waving a magic wand but, we know a inert gun butt can still crack a skull no differently
than a hammer.
they haven’t gotten the message, criminals are!
Eck!
Better yet, is that Mass doesn’t actually CARE about the FA-10s. We’re supposed to do no more than 4 transfers a year I personally know a few people who have done more than double that on more than one year with no questions. I’ve sent in multiple FA-10s on a single gun (I accidently wrote the Cyrillic serial Number on a 91/30 down, and had dropped it in the mail box…then cleaning the gun found the US ser, put a note in the next envelope, nobody said peep) Buddy moved out of sate for a few years, came back and the state never bothered to cancel his LTC…they just asked him to do a change of address.
And of course you’ll never hear about the registry being used to solve crime because it isn’t. It is simply there to harass and tax.
“Can’t produce the weapon when it’s time to renew…”
So, the spare gun I loaned to a friend whose only sidearm was stolen will net me a jail term, even though he’s in no way a prohibited person? And let’s not mention the rifle I have at the gunsmith that’s been there about 9 months while he does some very custom stuff to it.
Like I said, he’s crazy. the plan could never work because a simple slip of the mind or a desire to not participate would leave HUGE voids in the registry, and then there are dozens of legitimate reasons why you wouldn’t have a gun on your person. Buddy borrowed your elephant gun for a once-in-a-lifetime hunt and is gone for 2 months on Safari. Gun at the gunsmith. Lent to friend so he could evaluate it, fill a void, or just as a horse-trade. Gun given to friend to see if they can fix it for simple barter rather than shelling out cash to a gunsmith. How about people with multiple homes? I have lots of friends who have summer cottages, a retirement home, or a hunting camp where they keep a few guns right there so they don’t have to worry about traveling with guns. ect ect.
But Mike is a nut who has no desire to support or be accountable for his statements. His word is shit, and worthless even to our cause. That hippie in the park wants us all under a Marxist Regime, but what will he ever do it implement it?
Now Joan Peterson, she’s a Brady Board member, a Million Mom March President, and holds a position in one of the Joyce Foundation “Action Groups”. First off she doesn’t publish most of the comments she gets, but she approved this one, and on top of that hasn’t felt any desire to admonish this…tho she’s pretty quick to admonish people for desired to sell guns privately, or own magazines that go past 10.
That’s the real victory here!
What gets me giggling is having Michael Bonomo go into absolute frothing fits when someone dares asks him about the firearms he owned in the past.
He wants to make owners accountable for life for each firearm but won’t even allow a discussion of what happened to the firearms he owned — legally and illegally — when he moved to Italy.
He wants to make owners open their house for inspection yet won’t open his blog for a discussion of how old he was when he owned firearms or other questions
What is it with the antis not willing to talk about the firearms they owned but want everyone else to spill every detail?
Did you know that Joan Peterson is a gun owner?
http://www.publicnewsservice.org/index.php?/content/article/13111-1
I’ve asked Joan Peterson several times about the firearms she owns; how they are stored, did they undergo a background check, did they get training, fingerprinted, photographed, etc.
I don’t think a single one of those comments have seen the light of day.
Mike actually didn’t moderate comments until people felt the need to ask where the guns he criminally had came from and how he disposed of them when he left the country.
Now those are ACTUAL common sense questions. I mean did he buy them in a state where they were legal from an FFL and simply move to a state that prohibited them? Did he privately buy them from a close friend who didn’t know the laws? Did he steal them from a parked car, or did he buy them from the dealer who sold him coke in the 80s?
All wild speculation, and because he refuses to talk about it, all are plausible. The severity of his reaction leads me to speculate its more nefarious, but again that’s only speculation.
When he left the country what became of them. Did he privately sell them to another person? If so was that person prohibited? Did he sell illegally owned guns to an FFL who either had means of disguising the gun’s past, or could hide in in back channels? Did he simply discard them where anybody might find them? Did he follow BATFE Guidelines and torch-cut them and trash them, and disregarded the legal paperwork?
Again who knows, he won’t say, and seems to think his privacy is far more valuable than ours. No matter what his story is, it shows how all the gun control in the world won’t stop criminals from ignoring the law.
But again, while Mikey is the man quoted, He’s of little consequence in this debate, the fact that Joan Peterson of the Brady Campaign and the Joyce Foundation finds nothing wrong with his twisted ideas speaks VOLUMES on the nature of the Anti-Freedom Advocates.
Anonymous, If you want to make a point about the right age for owning guns responsibly, please don’t do it by asking questions about my personal experiences. If you’ve “read on other blogs” about my history with guns, then you may also have read that I don’t want to share any more personal details of my life.
What is it with the antis not willing to talk about the firearms they owned but want everyone else to spill every detail?
Bob, it is my personal opinion that Mike B. never owned firearms. I think that he may have said that he did in the past as a way to indoctrinate himself into our group and make us feel that we could trust him. Afterall, he is a former firearm owner. Maybe his opinion does have merit? Then, I think that it backfired in his face and people started asking all kinds of questions. The best that he can do now is clam up and refuse to answer any questions regarding the alleged firearms that he allegedly owned at one point.
This is just my opinion and I could be totally off base. I will freely admit that I am wrong as soon as Mike B. comes by and clarifies some details of his ownership.
Ruffrider,
I would tend to agree with that possibility except for the phrasing and clues about the other aspects of his life.
There was a story about a ‘buddy’ who illegally bought firearms in Las Vegas when the buddy lived in California. MikeB302000 lived in California. MikeB302000 admits to having lived in Las Vegas.
I think it is possible there were other extra-legal activities going on that MikeB302000 doesn’t want to admit to –because it would strengthen our argument about criminals not obeying the law.
What do you mean this plan would never work ? This plan is completely in use today for anything that falls under NFA34.
Just do what you can to keep your pantywaist titleI stuff out of the NFA database, because the volume would completely cripple the system for everyone. Oh wait, isn’t that the end goal ?
Seeing stuff added to NFA has already killed cycle times. Thing of every LE’s flashbang being transfered and registered, and us collectors get caught in the grind.
They’d never let it get that clogged right?!?! Although NFA has been up to 2 years to approve a ROUTINE transfer. And MA only ran out of the FA-10s for a couple of weeks, so all transfers were held up until someone could run some copies.
Well I’d be curious on how many NFA items were in the wild in ’34. And even still its pretty obvious how poorly that all works. Firs you have the wishy-washy definitions. I mean is an SKS with a sticky pin that occationally doubles a “Machine Gun”? is a Shoelace a machine gun?
Then there are the recent stories of C&R Short-barreled shotguns being exempted, because so many people were finding shotguns with 14″ barrels in their attics or basements. Uncle Booger didn’t feel the need to tell the ATF about his ranch gun!
Also FYI Mass gave up and now requests you simply print up an FA-10 from their website and mail in the copy. Even tho that was forbidden for a few weeks.
So even something so narrow as the NFA doesn’t work.
There were a ton of them in the wild in ’34, relatively at least. In the past 75 years, they have been killed off through the legal system, but there is a mess of non-NFA items that have filled the landscape.
SKS with a sticky firing pin absolutely is a machine gun, just like a fancy pants ACR. A shoelace is a machine gun if it is connected to a gun (new definition). Just like a glock is an AK-47, or an M16 is an AK47, or a 10-22 is an AK47, or how a WASR is an AR-15 🙂
If a SBR or SBS is particulary significant historically, you can petition ATF to have it removed from the scope of NFA, but this isn’t the same as C&R status.
NFA – each transfer is individually approved, weapons inspected upon registration, no paperwork makes the item contraband, lengthy approval times, background check on the buyer, seller, AND the gun….
BTW, my MA information is dated, but my dad spoke with first hand knowledge when he said there was a 15-YEAR backlog of FA-1s in the basement of Ashburton Place. This would have been around 1992-1993 with the backlog to the late 1970s.
For the non MA-holes reading this, the FA-1 (blue card) was used to record private party transfers between residents.
They electronically scan them these days. But I bet they’re just like the automated red-light cameras, nothing happens when something screws up. Who cares? The damage is done. Its not like they’ll ever USE the archive!
Hey it could be like it is here in Germany, total registration, have to have a ‘reason’ to own a fire arm, hunter/sport shooter ect, and even with the total registration, the Government admits that only about 60% of the guns in the country are on the list/license. Hell even Canada admits that their registration is a failed waste of money and time. But it would work for us, because the ATF are the ‘right people’ to run something like this, ignore all the problems they have with keeping the NFA list accurate.
The primary reason firearm registration will always fail here in America: it violates criminals’ Fifth-Amendment-protected rights.
With that precedent in place, firearm registration will never stop black markets, it will not stop criminals from getting firearms (from each other, if nothing else), and it will not accomplish anything the anti-rights nuts claim it will.
Even discounting the intrinsic violation of rights and privacy, registration is a failed endeavor before it even starts.
Likewise, it once again bears noting that someone who does not respect one Amendment does not respect any of them.
Lost all my guns in a terrible ice fishing accident. Saved myself, but my guns are at the bottom at Gitchie Gumee!!
“If it maligns, criminalizes, fines, harrasses, restricts or otherwise annoys peaceful gun owners, it is acceptable and ‘Common Sense'”
Don’t forget the ones that get people killed. Disarmers love to point out how people killed by unjustifiable state paranoia is the fault of the victim.
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