This is just a further continuation of my assertion that all “Progressive” activists in general and Gun Control activists specifically are Narcissists, stalkers and trolls. It seems the only difference between the ones that nationally represent the cause, and the cellar dwellers who simply troll pro-rights sits, and me-too at the handful of anti-gun sites, is how well they can conceal their deviant behavior.
So that leads me here. I did a post on how short-sighted and foolish the Joyce Foundation “Ask Campaign” was. In it I put a link of New Trajectory, one of the few “Cease Fire” branches of the Joyce Foundation that actually has a blog, granted with a heavily moderated comment section, like all anti-gun blogs. Its proprietor who goes by the dubious name of “Baldr Odinson” jumped on and made a pretty rude and fallacy-rich comment that can be found here.
It wasn’t much of an argument to the rebuttals were both easy, and numerous, feel free to read them. Also check out Thirdpower’s extended rebuttal here at his site. His makes an excellent point that Baldr calls us fools for rebuffing his Joyce talking points, and notes that he allows his children to play in homes of gun-owners so long as they meet his safety standards. Only on a separate occasion he notes that the is no way children can safely play in a home that has guns, period. Oops.
Further at one point on his blog somebody asked how he would protect his family from harm. His response:
@ Bob: Not with a gun…I and my son are students of kung fu, and my wife practices haganah. We are all still relatively new to these martial arts, but its a start at self protection. Not as lethal as a gun, but you can’t accidentally beat yourself to death.
Now read my rebuff VERY carefully, as I want all to know I am indeed being fair. Have a peek at Mr. Odinson, I do this in NO way to disparage a person on physical appearance, trust me, I ain’t no prize and I’ve never been mistaken for Adonis or Jason Statham in my life. (I did have the young daughter of friend say I looked like Brad Pitt…We all had a good laugh at her youthful Naivete)
I will point out what martial arts champions look like. They do not look like myself or Baldr. They are generally larger in size, well muscled, and lean. I’ll also point out that in all the Martial arts competitions are divided up by weight class, and by sex. I’m not saying its impossible for s smaller, lighter person to take down a larger heavier one, or a woman to take down a man, even in the same size and weight (tho generally women run a bit smaller), but it is deemed uncommon enough that every martial arts competition out there, from boxing and kickboxing, to MMA and Kung Fu, separate the fighters by weight and sex.
I’ll also note there is a HUGE number of martial artists who are also advocates for defensive firearms. The most visible is Chuck Norris, who has a pretty well-respected career in many schools of martial arts, and most will agree he is a martial artist first, and an actor second, but also a strong activist for the NRA. There are lots of other people in the world of Martial arts who keep and bear arms despite their superior physical condition, and training.
And of course there’s the people who use martial arts as part of their job. Military, Police, and Security forces. They’re all generally armed, if not with firearms, with other lethal tools like clubs and knives.
Sorry Baldr, while Kung-Fu will give you some valuable tools to defend yourself, even the grand masters of the arts don’t want to bet their life on it. And those are not people like myself or Baldr who could stand to drop a few pounds, and maybe lift weights a good bit more.
OK so now back to the original topic. After I rebuffed Baldr’s arguments made this statement:
I appreciate you giving your unique opinions to the discussion at Weer’d World, but I will note your, and your compatriots past behavior of simply dropping talking points, and not returning to continue debate. Any point worth making, is a point worth defending. If you are not willing to defend your points with reasonable debate, I will start marking further comments by you appropriately as Spam. This is a blog for discussion of issues, not for your personal soap box. If you wish to discuss the issues I welcome it, if you feel the need to drop controversial comments and not follow up on them, you are abusing my blog.
If you find this task daunting, maybe you should recruit some more voices for your cause.
Assuming he only came to my post I also emailed it to him. Now for those who might see this as a bit extreme, go have a look in the comments of the linked Thirdpower post. Baldr makes one inane comment, and is gone. Have a lot at the thread where I made that statement. No follow-up. Thirdpower makes reference to Baldr claiming to be unaware at his own affiliation to the Joyce foundation. That comment can be found here, note again that’s the only comment he felt like leaving. There are also many other blogs where he’s done exactly the same thing.
This is a behavior I’ve called Schrödinger’s “Progressive”, where a “Progressive” person drops in, drops their own talking points, and leaves, paying no mind to the rebuttals, many of them well-thought-out, and citing data.
I love debate, its something that makes both sides stronger. This isn’t debate, this is simply using another person’s blog as an extension of their soap box without the owner’s permission. Its the blog equivalent of littering, he leaves his trash for others to pick up.
Now of course I did get ONE response in my email from Baldr.
Shucks. Funny how you don’t demand this of your extremist pals, but then it’s not really a debate when the only people who post are yes-men.
Now we’ll forgive Baldr, he’s a “Progressive” which gives him license to be an expert on things he knows nothing about, such as my comment section. I think it speaks for itself. Also given that Baldr’s comments still exist, and those that are up right now will not be touched, does make him look like quite the fool. My Response to him:
Back when I supported gun control, I also found that I couldn’t support the agenda no matter how much I wanted it to be true. The facts and history were just not behind me.
I had no choice, live a lie, or switch sides.
I demand this of all who comment at Weer’d World. It just seems only those who support gun control seem to feel that the hit-and-run tactic of debate will somehow win hearts and minds.
You have two quite good direct rebuttals to your little comment up now. Will you show us exactly where we are wrong on this whole debate, or will you simply chose to no longer waste our time?
Those rebuttals have multiplied since I wrote that. of course I got no further response. It seems that his beliefs are hardly worth defending. Also rather ironic that he takes offense to my statements, but he plays the typical anti-gun game of deleting most of the comments made on his own blog.
Yawn. I know boring stuff. Just Weer’d World is not just my soap box, its my forum for debate and discussion of the issues I find important. I welcome all who agree or disagree we me to comment, and debate. I don’t have a “Commenting Policy” because mostly I feel them unnecessary and tedious. My general feelings are that we’re all grown-ups here so we don’t need a referee. I clean up obvious trash. I get spam from bots here that I delete, I have maybe seen one or two comments that were just childish people using my blog as a graffiti board that just wrote some naughty words and left it at that. I simply deleted those and the problem stopped. As for REAL abuse, like Baldr, or some of his trollish compatriots, I think I owe it to them to make a full post on their banishment.
So there it is. Baldr, you had your chance. All your previous posts will remain, any further posts will be marked as “Spam” which they rightfully are.