The Gun is Different

This is a question that I always bang my head into. What makes a gun so different that it needs to be treated in such an absurd way. The recent thing that’s gotten me to tumble this question around can be found here.

On Thursday, Montana unfinished firearm frame manufacturer Richard Celata of KT Ordance received a hand-delivered “cease and desist” letter from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives…There’s only one problem: Celata’s not doing that. He has manufactured parts for gun owners who wish to build their own firearms, a perfectly legal activity that ATF apparently wishes to squelch through threat of prosecution

The discussion continues over at Uncle’s when a reader notes that KT Ordnance makes partially finished gun frames, and evidently there are forbidden markings on the frame where the finishing work needs to be done.

OK let’s break it down a bit. A working firearm is essentially a sum of parts. It makes sense to pick a single part as the “Gun” so legal restrictions aren’t passed say if I change grips, or sights, or want to add a caliber conversion kit. So a part of a gun is chosen and that becomes the serialized part. Of course its different on every damn gun. Grip frame on a 1911, its the upper receiver on a Browning Buckmark, lower receiver on an AR-15, upper receiver on an FAL, and its the barrel and chamber of a Mosin Nagant that’s considered the “Gun”.

This of course means you can convert a Remington Long-Action action receiver for a 700 rifle and make just about any gun under the sun without any further federal involvement (unless somehow you take something that has never been a working gun but is considered a “Rifle” and make it into a handgun…we’ll save that stupidity for another day) but to re-barrel a Mosin Nagant into .308 is impossible without federal involvement. (But why would you want any other caliber than 7.62x54R?)

So let’s focus on just a 1911, because they’re awesome and KT Ordnance sells 1911 kits. A 1911 frame is considered a “Gun” and all the local and federal restrictions apply to it, if I politely asked my dear Smith and Wesson on a field trip to Springfield to forgo any further build-up and hand me a 1911 frame hot off the line, they’d first need to stamp a serial number into the gun, and have me go through a background check, and have me show a Mass permit. Also I’d be curious how this would be covered under our “Safe Handgun Roster”.

But still, interesting still, without some knowledge of gunsmithing I can’t get this frame to shoot, as the parts will still require some fitting to get everything working. Still that’s a gun. But what about the block of steel bar stock on the other end of the factory? Is that a gun? The receiver of a Sten Gun can essentially be made by bending a piece of sheet metal and welding and heat-treating it. Is all sheet steel a “Gun”? Nope it needs to be formed into a “gun” first. Seems KT Ordnance might have done a bit too much forming before selling unfinished frames. But who cares? I mean precision machining seems like an integral step to gun making, but really is it? Oleg made this great post.

But let’s assume no fancy projectiles. Assume nothing but two pipes, some sheet metal (steel, aluminum, brass would all would do fine) or plastic, three springs (one each for trigger/sear return, magazine and bolt) and…that’s it. A fourth spring for an extractor is optional for blowback firearms, especially if the ejection port is on the bottom. Look at this STEN-like design and envision it without the barrel jacket, with buttplate integral to lengthened receiver (which would also reduce the cyclic rate) and a smooth, unrifled pipe for a barrel. The chamber can be reinforced with a larger pipe segment to help contain the pressures. Use any shotgun ammunition, slug or shot. Sights are optional: just a front post or bead would do, or a laser pointer taped to the barrel.

The end product would fire automatically but slowly enough to make single shots possible. With loose clearances, it would leak some gas but away from the operator and generally be effective to 15-20m with shot and perhaps 50m with slugs.

He’s talking about a full-fledged Machine gun there, albeit primitive as hell, but something that likely could be made in any autobody shop with nothing more than you could find in a hardware store. No Precision machining needed, just pipes and simple metal working tools and springs. (and even springs can be made pretty easily)

In the end why do we put up with this bullshit? The whole “Gun Death?” category is here to show that violent people are something to be concerned about, not the tools they use, and of course guns are used far more frequently to SAVE lives than to take them, furthermore when you include food harvesting and recreation, harm done by guns is almost insignificant.

In the end we’ve been brainwashed by the anti-gun forces into thinking that somehow a gun is different than any other tool or item in the universe. Is it?

I’m starting to think Not at all….

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0 Responses to The Gun is Different

  1. “He’s talking about a full-fledged Machine gun there”

    Full-fledged submachinegun actually. Still class III, but if you try to make a full rifle-caliber machinegun out of some weights, tubes, and springs, you’ll be in for a rude awakening.

    • Weerd Beard says:

      Actually in 20 gauge? It really doesn’t fit into any boxes. TECHNICALLY with an unrifled bore its an “Auto-Shotgun”, tho with slugs its a crude “Automatic Rifle” like the BAR.

      Needless to say even in a full guns and ammo ban gun and ammo would be VERY easy to make from raw componants

      • I missed the part where he said shotgun. If you look up plans for improvised machineguns, they’re almost always blowback submachineguns chambered for something between .32 acp and .45 acp. You might be able to get a blowback .410 to work since they’re not much stouter than .45 colt. I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t be able to get a typical direct blowback action to work in a major shotgun caliber like 12 or 20. The bolt would have to be almost prohibitively heavy even for shoulder arm.

        • Weerd Beard says:

          I honestly couldn’t tell you, engineering the spring and bolt weight to time the gun properly is a little beyond my physics number crunching. That being said, home-made firearms are a sign of desperation. You see vastly more zip guns and other improvised firearms in Europe, as well as kyber pass potmetal guns because a quality firearm is difficult to acquire. Even a prohibitively heavy, inaccurate, and cumbersome firearm is better than no firearm, and in the idea of a marshal law tyranny, it would be a means to acquire better weapons from the military and Police, or as a last-ditch defensive arm. Even if the firing mechanism required a contraption much like the “Belly Bow”
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastraphetes to charge and required a brawny man to port around its still better than a mass grave at the end of a train ride…

          Of course all of this is an exercise of rank speculation, even gun control nations like England and France I’m sure have stockpiles of military weapons stashed behind walls and inside attics or sealed in underground caches. This just shows how completely pointless gun control is. Hell England didn’t even curb their “Gun Death” numbers by essentially banning all personal firearms in country, people simply built crude guns to use.

  2. In the end why do we put up with this bullshit?

    Why, for teh childrenses, of course. PAY ATTENTION! 😉

  3. My grandfather walked into a hardware store as a young teen, and bought a shotgun, sans serial number, with no background check, no paperwork save the greenbacks handed to the cashier. Must be broken, to date it has killed, maimed, robbed, and scared no one. Hell, the damn thing hasn’t even fallen into the hands of a gangmember yet.

    Good thing he bought it that way back in his youth, if that same shotgun was made and sold like that today, blood would run in the streets.

    I won’t even get started about the BATFE’s beginnings in the IRS. Pay taxes on yer pistol, or it will kill babies; do you support dead babies? Bah, I’m going to go pour a drink.

    • Weerd Beard says:

      I’ll one-up you, my father put a wad of cash in an envelope with an order form from the Sears catalog. Waited a bit and a box showed up with a shotgun in it. I have no idea if it had a serial on it. (I’d bet it didn’t). Like a dork he let it rust solid in his basement like a good Marxist should. Gave it to a coworker who evedently got it running. Was a hunting shotgun, but I guess it was defective because I don’t think he even managed to kill birds with it.

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