Silver Tongue Devil

This is a very interesting article. The wife and I had a great discussion about it this morning. Let’s have a look!

Gun safety laws have been deadlocked for many years, largely because the options on the table are zero-sum — either gun control advocates win and gun rights advocates lose, or vice versa. But there may be a way out if we re-frame the question and the solution.

This is what got us both hooked on the article! Let’s read on!

What if we sought not just a regulatory solution, but also created a profit-making opportunity? Specifically, what if the government partnered with business to create a new category: a $100B gun safety and enjoyment industry?

Government partnership? You’re losing me again!

The automotive industry is a useful analogy, for both safety and enjoyment. Car owners segment into two camps. At the highest level, you can divide car owners into those who “need cars” (e.g., Utilitarians and Safety Seekers) and those who “want cars” (e.g., Driving Enthusiasts and Tinkerers. Similarly, gun proponents can be divided into two camps. First are “Protection Seekers” — consumers who want the protection of guns and hope to never use them. Second are “Enjoyment Seekers” — consumers who may also want protection, but are more focused on guns as a hobby — perhaps they enjoy hunting or target shooting, or perhaps they just dig the guns themselves. The good news is that “protection” is a close cousin of “safety”, so Protection Seekers are the easiest to align with gun control consumers also seeking safety.

To satisfy the gun control (Safety Seeker) group and the first group of gun owners (Protection Seeker), requiring innovations in product safety is the first opportunity.

OK I like that he’s looking at the self-defense people, not the “Deer and Ducks” people, that’s a fresh look.

Both the automotive industry and the government can pat themselves on the back for increasing automotive safety through innovation (seat belts, air bags, anti-lock brakes, lane departure sensors) and sound regulation (seat belt requirements, age restrictions, etc.) But one key factor is the legal requirement to have auto insurance if you drive a car (vs. just own a car). Government could require gun makers to layer in similar safety/protection innovations into the products themselves, which both gun safety and protection seekers should support. As Farhad Manjoo has pointed out on Slate, technology has advanced to the point where we can go far beyond the safety catch. If the gun is there to protect your family, I’m sure Protection Seekers would welcome safeguards to ensure their kids don’t get into the guns and play around with it. This might both greatly reduce the number of deaths caused by guns (as it is now, just having a gun in the house increases the risk of a fatal shooting) and create an opportunity for gun manufacturers to charge a premium for the safest guns, the way Volvo charges a premium its safe cars, and grow through innovation.

Ok first up you’re citing the Kellerman study! Can we get beyond this? The study was junk! It equated drug dealers and gang members with lawful people owning guns for self-defense. He also links an very biased, an inaccurate article on gun safety, and “Smart Gun” technology. The bottom line is guns are VERY safe, and the handful that aren’t are recalled by the manufacturers at their own expense. Everybody who is into guns is well aware of this…it appears those who aren’t into guns are blissfully unaware.

Further his problem is false to begin with. Look at this:

n 2000, 174 children (0-18) in the United States died from unintentional firearm-related injuries. Unintentional injuries are usually caused when children play with guns or are hunting.

Looking at the CDC data you see that there are many more pressing threats when it comes to accidental death. Poisoning, Motor vehicle accidents, and drowning seem to be the leads in any age range well above guns. (Interesting given his love for the auto industry, and his feelings that the gun industry has a problem).

And of course he ignores the key reason for this group OWNING a gun. PROTECTION! If you disassemble a gun, and lock away the ammo…or don’t keep ammo in the home you won’t have an accident…you also won’t have a gun if you need one.

Requiring gun insurance is the second opportunity. Again, cars provide a useful analogy: if you drive, you are required by law to have insurance to protect yourself, your car, and anyone else directly affected by an accident. Insurance companies charge more for riskier cars and riskier drivers. They invest significant dollars in actuaries to ensure all risk factors are accounted and charged for.

What are these risks? Accidental death? Its nothing statistically speaking. Theft? Well my guns are under my home owner’s policy, and before that my renter’s insurance. Are we talking crime? Well we’ll get to that later!

Not surprisingly, I checked with a few friends who are gun proponents and this idea didn’t go very far — it was viewed as burdensome regulation and an infringement on Second Amendment rights. After all, health insurance and even car insurance — as much as most of us don’t like paying for them — do offer us a benefit. And all that firearms insurance would do is take some of the costs for gun violence out of the taxpayer-supported criminal justice system, and the health insurance system we all pay for, and ask gun owners to pay for them.

Here’s the kicker. See he wants gun owners to shoulder the cost of gun violence, not the general population. But let’s look deeper into this. We know that accidental death and injury is very small, we also know that while it gets a LOT of news coverage, spree killers, and other crazy people with lawfully owned guns killing people is equally as small.

The real “Gun Death” number is inner-city criminal-on-criminal crime. Most of these violent offenders are well-known to police, and neither own their guns legally, nor posses them for lawful commerce reasons.

Is he trying to tell me that the gangs in the inner cities are going to pay the insurance money on guns they technically don’t even own? This is nothing but a shell game. He doesn’t want to pay the cost, so he’s willing to point a finger at an equally blameless party to get THEM to pay what he doesn’t want to.

Sorry bud, this isn’t a GUN problem, its a DRUG problem. These shootings aren’t happening because of lawful gun owners, its because of UNLAWFUL drug dealers who can’t use our justice system to uphold their business contracts.

At the same time, insurance could benefit “Enjoyment Seekers” in a few ways. Some of the profits from the insurance could help hunters transport and preserve their game so they could more easily feed their families. Other revenue could go towards conserving hunting preserves and ensuring a healthy, abundant wildlife population. If it becomes too expensive for individuals to adequately insure military-style assault rifles, perhaps the industry could take a page from the sports car driving schools, where you can go to a race track and drive hot cars fast. Perhaps gun enthusiasts could still fire such weapons at gun ranges, safely.

Well hunting preserves and that stuff is already being protected by the NRA and other groups. Also the whole “Closed Course” stuff does exist at gun clubs, you can rent anything from target pistols to machine guns.

Still you’re doing that finger-pointing thing again. You think we own semi-auto rifles for the thrill? These are the very guns people looking for personal protection want, and there you go throwing them under the bus.

This is yet another smart person thinking they have a solution for a problem they know nothing about.

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13 Responses to Silver Tongue Devil

  1. JD Rush says:

    Guess the author doesn’t know ammo and guns are already taxed, allegedly going to fund conservation efforts. Guess he wants to raise the taxes to 100%.

    Do all owners of a penis need to fund a $100 billion penis violence initiative?

    I notice he quotes Bloomberg for his “gun violence” costs. That is a non biased source. /sarc

  2. Eck! says:

    n 2000, 174 children (0-18) in the United States died from unintentional firearm-related injuries. Unintentional injuries are usually caused when children play with guns or are hunting.

    A whole lot of detail is missing including citations on how its arrived at. But for the moment.. Of those 174 how many were the direct result of what were or found to be criminal actions, like gang drive by and gang on gang? I suspect we may be missing something.

    Eck!

    • Weerd Beard says:

      Drive by and gang shootings would be considered homicides I assume…unless the numbers are more sinister than I thought.

      Still you have a point. We’ve had a few kids here in Mass die from playing with a loaded gun. The gun of course was stolen property and being used by a drug dealer….

      • Eck! says:

        Weerd,

        Being here in metrowest I do know about those. That is the problem though as its all muddy grey and not tidy like the grabbers tell us. They want simple solutions as they don’t want to think about the complex reality of crime and criminals with the attendant side effects. One wonders what would it all look like if we take out the contributions from gangs and drugs.

        Then again they have the same problem seeing the cow, brown eyes and all, though the process of getting their rare steak tips.

        Eck!

  3. Wolfman says:

    He’s trying to buy the hunters with gifts, too, but he can go f@#% himself. I doubt he realizes that things such as game preserves are already funded at a very high level by hunters, who voluntarily pay tag fees and membership dues. And the money will help me transport amd process my game? What are they going to do, drive it to my house and hang it up for me? This guy know NOTHING about hunting or conservation. About as much as he knows about guns in general, probably.

    • Eck! says:

      Wolfman,

      Hes trying to put a nice shrink wrap on on BS. The same game fees for this fees for that so those people can’t get one. Insurance is just another name for prohibitive fees. What he forgets is the whole concept of insurance was for two major circumstances, damage not from careless use (icy roads for example) and to keep the courts clear of civil cases when accidents involving multiple cars occur. As soon as death is involved it’s no longer insurance or simile civil case and can easily be felony.

      Unlike cars in one big way. Cars you get into, park on the street, and drive down the road. They are visible like houses and boats, taxes and registrations are then also visible and you can’t easily hide them as a criminal. Guns are far more like computers, try to tax or attach fees to them just because of their existence. After all someone might use their computer to defraud someone
      or access illegal information and distribute it.

      They the gungrabbers don’t understand the analogy as it doesn’t fit their religion. It is religion, it’s the faith and belief that laws prevent crime,
      not the punishment it enumerates. And with the current catch and release programs the criminals don’t seem to take it all that seriously as time
      served is meaningless.

      So it think it was Larry Corria that said there were some 24,000 laws that apply to gun use, ownership and sale. What one was missed? One more?

      Eck!

  4. Old NFO says:

    Another pile of BS….

  5. McThag says:

    I see you have gun-owners insurance. Let’s see the guns…

    My car insurance links my cars by VIN to the drivers in the house by SSN. And the local DMV and a cop who’s pulled me over can access it.

    [sarcasm]YES! I want this for my guns too![/sarcasm]

    Insurance is one of the well known back-door registration schemes. We talked about it back when the internet was usenet!

    Never mind that it’s a right. I don’t have to insure the computer I am typing this on. I don’t have to insure my dwelling to keep the neighbors from peeping in the windows.

  6. Damien says:

    Also, cars and driving are privileges. There is no amendment guaranteeing your right to be licensed by the state to own and operate a motor vehicle.

    Bicycles are OK though.

  7. Tom Harvey says:

    @guninsurblog Effective gun insurance that will protect everyone and be a minimal burden on gun owners is possible. The problems are real but solutions exist that will cover lost, stolen and diverted firearms. The costs can be kept to normal insurance margins over the risks that are really there. It will require designing a system with care but the insurance industry has done that many times.

  8. Eck! says:

    As a pilot and someone that has carried other insurances for what some call optional behaviors I can say this about the last comment… ya, sure!

    I can just imaging someone in MA going though the hoops because their ex or other dangerous felon dies because all the paper was done and the required training but the insurance was late. Right now you coughed up 2-300 bucks for the license, another 500+ for the firearm [more if the antigunners are effective] and what $500-1000
    or more for a insurance policy. Yep another clever try at keeping “those people”
    [wink wink ,nod, nod] gun free. That history of economic discrimination is old
    and well known.

    Oh right ,this insurance protects the owner from what? Their own death, their on injury is they are shot, shooting a felon in the act[medical or civil suit], replacing a stolen firearm or maybe replacing a seized/forced surrender firearm due to law changes?? What would be the disqualifying conditions? Or is it some new profit center? I vote for the later.

    Then we have some bonehead rep from Natick on the Faux network promising more new law (state) to make getting guns harder. Save for criminals aren’t watching.
    It was bad enough he mouthed the Brady bunch BS and it was obvious that he didn’t know he was in one of the three strictest states in the union.

    Eck!

  9. Bob S. says:

    Insurance….hmm, that brings to mind recent federal changes in laws; now what was that?
    Oh Yea!!! Everyone is now required to carry medical insurance, not just the people who ‘need’ it.

    Let’s say that I agree with the idea ( I don’t but I’ll play along); using the model of the Affordable Health Care Act — everyone is now required to carry ‘gun insurance’ so that the pool of coverage is enough to make it affordable!
    To me this seems fair actually. After all, aren’t most of the people who suffer from firearm related injuries unarmed?

  10. Braden Lynch says:

    He’s missing the point. I want protection from my government!
    Firearms are great against violent criminals or rioting mobs; however, Uncle Sam is potentially the most dangerous entity.

    Insurance schemes and any enhanced safety are irrelevant.
    The protection he speaks of is nice, but it is not the real need.

    The real deal is genocides happened in Nazi Germany, Turkey, USSR, China, etc.
    The only answer is an armed population able to offer serious resistance to tyranny.

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