Fineman Fisk

I’m starting to wonder if Elliot Fineman of National Gun Victims Action Council is even relevant to gun control anymore. Still this post was just too amazing to pass up!

New Year’s Resolutions for the NRA
Elliot Fineman
CEO and President
National Gun Victims Action Council

OK first we need to look at the hubris of this statement overall. Fineman is making resolutions FOR THE NRA! Not only is he making resolutions for OTHERS, but its a group he’s openly hostile and hateful to. WOW!

We will stop referring to ourselves as a “civil rights” organization that defends “human rights.” It is a sacrilege to people actually killed or harmed by civil and human rights abuses.

Sacrilege? You mean like Civil rights are a religion? Further every right confers some degree of danger. We’ll talk more about criminal behavior, but I assume that Fineman is in favor of New York City’s “Stop and Frisk”, because it MIGHT save a life, further the racist angles of that campaign are good to, right? Because Blacks are a huge part of the prison population.

Sorry, civil rights aren’t subject to approval by hateful rich people like yourself.

We will stop blaming gun crime on “failure to enforce existing laws” and confess that it is our lobbying that has blocked sharing and computerizing of national firearm sales data so crimes cannot be solved. We also block weapon microstamping, further making sure the “bad guys” never get caught.

We admit that arming bad guys through such loose laws and then blaming armed “bad guys” for the need for more firearms is like killing your parents and crying you are an orphan.

Oh, Mr. Crime-stopper! So because the records aren’t put into a national registry law enforcement can’t solve crimes? How many crimes have been solved by universal gun registration? The answer is statistically NONE. Same goes for Microstamping, its just a fancy way to bring gun registries to fired ammo. Cool, bro, but you can’t show me other registrations work, so why would this one. Further Microstamping doesn’t work! Even under ideal conditions many of the cases have illegible or ambiguous marks, further a few seconds with a common file will destroy the marks from marked guns. And of course lastly are the millions of guns that need to be retrofitted.

And for the bad guys? Where does any gun-rights group stand for arming violent criminals? Further where on Earth can violent criminals NOT get guns? Lastly why does the other guy need a gun before I can shoot them?

We will admit background checks are a joke. Mass shooters Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech), James Holmes (Aurora), Jared Loughner (Tucson), Aaron Alexis (Navy Yard), Paul Ciancia (LAX airport) and Stephen Phillip Kazmierczak (Northern Illinois University) sailed through them.

Hey we can agree with that! Background checks are a joke. Not only do these high profile killers sail right through them, but most of the NICS denials are false positives. Keep fighting for this one, Elliot!

We will stop our obstruction of “one firearm a month” laws to stop straw buyers. Convicted grandmother-killer William Spengler used a straw buyer at Gander Mountain in Henrietta, NY to get the weapons he used to kill firefighters last Christmas Eve. Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold also used a straw buyer.

Now this is laughable! First up Straw Buying is a FEDERAL crime, why do we need more laws to stop criminal acts. Further we’re citing a crime where a guy had ONE rifle. How’s “One-gun-a-month” going to stop that? For Columbine two of the three straw buyers served prison time, the third, Robyn Anderson, was never charged because she was willing to testify for gun control advocates like yourself. Gun Control is Pro-Criminal!

We will admit our contention that criminals will target homes because they believe there are no firearms or because they believe there are firearms is nonsensical. We will further admit that asking the same jack booted government we rail against to protect our identities so our neighbors don’t know about our firearms is contradictory and sniveling.

Well except that places that make it hardest to own or carry guns have higher crime, and indeed criminals did target houses specifically to get guns. So I guess talking about the truth is “sniveling”. BTW has anybody watched an Elliot Fineman interview? How would you describe his speech pattern? Just sayin’!

We will stop pretending our fear to go anywhere unarmed is somehow a public service and that we cop wannabes are the real law enforcers. We will admit our carrying does not protect others or ourselves and take a hard look at all the people–including elderly and 80 pound women–who go the same places we are afraid to go without weapons.

Straw man! I’m not afraid to go places unarmed, unfortunately I do it all the time. I visit states that don’t honor any of my permits, and I work in a gun free zone. I’m not afraid of these places, I go there all the time. What makes this unfortunate is I know that spree shootings almost always happen in places like this. Further I know that places that restrict gun ownership are more dangerous. Lastly I don’t carry a gun because I’m a “cop wannabe” or I’m afraid, I carry one because if I NEED a gun and don’t have one, I will likely die.

While she was pregnant my wife stopped eating cold cuts. This is to avoid Listeriosis, and illness I have never witnessed first hand, or known anybody who has gotten it. Still Listeriosis in a pregnant woman will almost certainly mean the baby will die. My wife and I probably eat one sandwich with cold cuts a month, the chances of 9-10 sandwiches causing a miscarriage in a pregnancy is almost non….still for the sake of the baby we took that extra step. Same with carrying a gun.

Also the argument that people go places and aren’t assaulted is like saying that because people do things and aren’t raped, or hit by drunk drivers, such crimes don’t exist, or need to be of concern.

We will stop whipping up “preppers” and citizen army extremists into stockpiling bigger arsenals because jack booted government agents are about to storm their homes and disarm them. Though we love the melodrama of being “victims,” the 2008 Supreme Court decision District of Columbia v. Heller means that will never happen. Never. And if we are victims, we’re the best armed victims in the history of the world.

Now the NRA does support various “Prepper” causes, you can buy food, farming, and safety equipment at the NRA shows. I don’t really see the NRA doing much for the preppers who think they will single-handedly wage a war. Still NRA has been doing a lot to fight the illegal confiscations of firearms after Hurricane Katrina, further as Fineman was typing this, New York Police are indeed doing door-to-door confiscations.

We will stop our compulsive firearms talk about clips, magazines and how a semiautomatic weapon shouldn’t be considered an assault weapon. Though the blather is designed to reveal how the public is too ignorant about firearms to understand laws, the truth is we get buzzed just talking about weapons. Yes, it’s a fetish.

You started a political organization that focuses on banning those very guns without any cause or reason. You indeed are ignorant about firearms laws (hell I just pointed out some BLATANT factual errors in this one post), who has a fetish? We’ll stop talking about them when you stop trying to ban them. Deal?

Finally, we will retire our shopworn “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” slogan and our mantra that gun laws won’t stop the bad guys and mentally disturbed people. Mentally ill people are everywhere, like a man in China who attacked over 20 school children on the same day as the Sandy Hook massacre. Because he had a knife and not a rapid fire weapon, the children did not die and 40 parents in China still have their loved ones. Unlike in Newtown.

Indeed the one case he cites nobody died, but what about here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here?

That’s just EIGHT cases I dug up from my archives. I’m sure there are lots more just here, and I’m certainly not the comprehensive location for school stabbings, and school spree-killings where guns weren’t used. Mr. Fineman doesn’t care about the facts, he just cares about banning guns. Who has the fetish?

Here’s my New Year’s Resolution for Elliot Fineman. #1. Start acquainting yourself with facts. #2. Start caring about public safety like you CLAIM to do. #3. Start working on your anti-gun compatriots to get them to do the same!

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3 Responses to Fineman Fisk

  1. Thirdpower says:

    No ‘wonder’ about it, they’ve never been relevant. As for ‘factual errors’, not only is that all gun control is based on, but Elliot bought me ammo/starbucks due to me calling them out on one. Since then, they’ve just followed the traditional gun control SOP of repeating themselves, lying some more, and Reasoned Discourse.

  2. The Jack says:

    “We will stop our compulsive firearms talk about clips, magazines and how a semiautomatic weapon shouldn’t be considered an assault weapon.”

    Wow. So talking about the terms and what’s exactly being banned is “compulsive”.
    Oh and lookit there, he gives the game up that semiautomatic == assault weapon.

    Despite all the promises from the antis that they’re not after “your” guns.

    Or even that AWBs don’t, yet, merely equate semi-automatic with assault weapon. No they require a few other cosmetic features. But there I go being compulsive again.

    And this:

    “We will admit our carrying does not protect others or ourselves and take a hard look at all the people–including elderly and 80 pound women–who go the same places we are afraid to go without weapons.”

    We’ll do our darnedest to make sure said 80 pound woman can’t carry a gun *if* she wants to. Unless she’s a Senator’s wife or a friend of the Mayor’s!

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