So as you know, I’m pro-gun, live in Massachusetts, and read lots of anti-gun blogs, and I’m outspoken about my beliefs. This might lead you to think that I get into a lot of debates on the gun control issue.
Not really. As a general rule the “debates” go two ways:
Interaction #1
Anti: We shouldn’t allow guns! Did you know that a gun in the house is 10 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder?
Me: That’s not a correct statement. You’re citing Arthur Kellermann, and I believe he eventually amended his study to four times more likley, and he was never talking in terms of “Family Members” and “Intruder”, he was talking “Acquaintances” and “Strangers”, meaning the bulk of his homicides were rival gang members killing each other in turf wars, and he didn’t even care if the gun was in the house because the resident of the house owned it. Meaning a woman’s ex boyfriend whom she has a restraining order against could break into her house and shoot her in her bed, and that would count as a “Gun in the Home” and killing an “Acquaintance”.
Either way, gun ownership is currently on the rise, while violent crime is dropping, so the concern that more guns cause more violence simply can’t be true.
Anti: Well of course you’d say that you’re a gun nut! Why should I believe you?
Me: I don’t expect you to believe me, so please, if you care about this issue, go look up what I’m talking about.
Anti: Can you give me some sources to look at?
Me: I can, but since we both agree you shouldn’t simply believe me because I told you so, you will find the data much more powerful if you look it up yourself. I will say that the FBI, CDC, and simply Googling “Arthur Kellermann”.
Anti: OK
Now these interactions end one of three ways, either the anti-gun person goes out with a new-found skepticism and starts doing research and the talking points that sound so solid when they heard them, and they soon realize that the foundation of Gun Control is lies and invisible bugbears, and while maybe they won’t go out and buy a gun just yet, they really shouldn’t take issue with others owning guns.
Or They could decide that they have invested too much of their ego in gun control, and deep down they KNOW that I told them to find their own data because I KNEW they had never done any research on the subject, and knew what they would find if they did, and that they won’t give that asshole “rethuglancan” the satisfaction!
OR they will realize that the gun control debate is not as cut-and-dry as they had been lead to believe, and they will never venture into that arena ever again.
Of course the second scenario REALLY makes me sad, but it’s a reality, so many people will WILLFULLY choose ignorance over reality. I can’t grasp why, I just know it happens a lot.
Then there is Interaction #2
Anti: We shouldn’t allow guns! Did you know that a gun in the house is 10 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder?
Me: That’s not a correct statement. You’re citing Arthur Kellermann, and I believe he eventually amended his study to four times more likley, and he was never talking in terms of “Family Members” and “Intruder”, he was talking “Acquaintances” and “Strangers”, meaning the bulk of his homicides were rival gang members killing each other in turf wars, and he didn’t even care if the gun was in the house because the resident of the house owned it. Meaning a woman’s ex boyfriend whom she has a restraining order against could break into her house and shoot her in her bed, and that would count as a “Gun in the Home” and killing an “Acquaintance”.
Either way, gun ownership is currently on the rise, while violent crime is dropping, so the concern that more guns cause more violence simply can’t be true.
Anti: But What about Terrorists buying Machine guns as gun shows without background checks???
This “Debate” goes on this way until one side becomes exhausted. You can see a real-world example of this over at Miguel’s:
This really strikes me as a variation of Schrödinger’s “Progressive”. In the overall view of this quantum theory is that if a person breaks off from a debate after a devastating rebuttal has been made, then was the rebuttal devastating at all? This is the same idea, since Miguel cleanly refuted the initial claim, the anti immediately changes subjects and immediately makes the appearance that the 2nd Subject was what was being discussed all along. If you try and steer the debate back on topic YOU will get accused of changing the subject, and slinking away from devastating rebuttal.
This will go on until one of you are exhausted. I have no idea what form of mental illness causes this, but boy does it happen with frightening regularity!