“Reasoned Discourse” As a Lifestyle Choice

I got thinking about this post, as well as elements of this one while I was mowing my lawn.

When it comes to gun control the pro-gun side is all about exposure, Facts (from unbiased sources like the FBI, Police, and the CDC), unity and debate. Meanwhile the anti-freedom side does all it can to stifle debate and use cooked figures from groups like the VPC or Mayors Against Illegal guns, and dehumanize gun owners, while attempting to conflate criminals with lawful citizens who commit no crimes.

For the hardcore anti-rights activists they know better, and quotes like this from Dennis Henigan, formally of the Brady Campaign, or Josh Sugarman currently of the VPC show that they know they are pushing lies, and are just mercenary whores who are willing do say and do anything so long as the check clears. For the various political and celebrity mouthpeices who frequently travel with an armed security detail and/or have an extensive weapons collection, they see it as a class issue. They are rich and famous, so their life is worth more than yours.

Still the professor Tam quotes in the above link isn’t one of them. He’s likely just a guy who because of his education and respect in his university feels pretty confident of his opinion and felt like sharing it….but upon discovery he’s had an adverse reaction to people showing a difference of opinion.

Now there are two ways one can go with this: Forward, by looking deeper into the issue to attempt to sort out the facts and arguments, or backwards by doubling down on the ignorance, or by simply walking away from the topic entirely.

When I was anti-gun and started seeing my first blowback from the pro-gun side I elected to go forward, and here I stand today. I’ve tested the waters so many times, and debated with so many people now I’m extremely confident to say that there is ONLY one way to go when the facts are examined.

But the other way is amazingly common. I have a few coworkers who have some fairly strong anti-gun views. We’ve had a few big discussions, but I know them enough that they won’t take my word for things. I don’t blame them, I’m in so deep, and they’re in so shallow, as well as the fact that I’m heavily invested in guns, that I might appear on the surface as a fanatic, and my claims are so diametrically opposed to what they’ve seen from the media, and what they believe in their hearts that they simply assume I’m lying.

There is a simple solution for that: I send them to the CDC, and to the FBI, and I tell them to look at the numbers for themselves.

Do you think they’ve done that?

Let’s put this another way, if you’re reading this gun blog, that means you’ve probably read a few books on this subject as well. You ever lent somebody who didn’t share your views on guns a book and actually had them read it?

I’ll be AMAZED if anybody claim that and NOT have converted the person to pro-gun, or at least turned the tide.

Let’s face it, if you support a ban on “Assault Weapons” you have NO earthly idea what an “Assault Weapon” is…and you also can’t be bothered to even Google the term and maybe figure it out.

This leads to the 2nd post with the video on the Colorado parade. They found ONE person to speak ill of the pro-gun marchers at the parade…and he didn’t even attend to SEE who was marching and the presentation of the issue.

This is also likely where the “90% Support Universal Background Checks” troupe comes from. First up, I have my doubts that the poll is valid, still of the group that does NOT support the Manchin-Toomey law, most of these people are willing to at LEAST call their representation, speak with friends, colleges and relatives about the law, take new people shooting to educate them, and perform other acts of political activism. For the people who claim to support the bill to the survey….well all but a scarce few of them will do ANYTHING after they hang up the phone with the pollster.

For the people that actually DO anything, the best you can see is maybe a post on a blog or twitter, and when there is opposition they will have expended all of cares WRITING the post, and won’t have anything left to respond. They will simply delete anything they don’t like so they won’t appear a fool.

So yeah, I see “Reasoned Discourse” more of a lifestyle, and it isn’t just on guns. The same people who cover their ears to opposition on guns will do it for EVERYTHING that opposes them…because they have some crappy TV to watch.

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Images of the Antis: Straw Man

This one is particularly egregious:

via Jason Kilgore

Yep, that’s it, the NRA believes any conflict can be solved with a judicious amount of gunfire!

They say it all the time…so much that we simply don’t have any quotes or evidence! If that isn’t damning, what is?

Hilarious that I found this via Jason “Baldr” Kilgore, who scrubbed his comment section because supporting his agenda was too much work, and debate makes him scared.

Really, no anti-rights activist can support their agenda, that’s why they simply must slander the opposition in hopes that dehumanization will allow them to pass their agenda.

When have we seen these techniques before?

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Morning SCIENCE!!!

This is a good one!

Besides cephalapods for being so bright and advanced, yet still being invertebrate mollusks, I’m impressed by Starfish and how “intelligent” they can appear without having a brain. Now Starfish are hardly “Smart”, I’m just impressed at how many faculties a class of animals can have without having a single brain among them.

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As Sure As The Sun Rises In The East…

…Reasoned Discourse will break out when a blogger starts parroting Anti-Gun Talking Points!

Tam links to a goober who “Supports the Second Amendment”, but thinks lawful gun owners should pay for the mayhem caused by criminals breaking the law.

Of course he’s been scrubbing comments as fast as they are coming in. No idea how big that number is, but Tam drives some serious traffic. Interestingly there was this comment at Tam’s

og said…

he said that, indeed. A commenter opined:

“Are you responsible, should a thief steal your car and run over a pedestrian?”

His response, copy pasted:

“Guns are inherently dangerous, Dan. Cars are not.”

Tam said…

og,

“he said that, indeed.”

What was he doing all those years in school?

I wonder how much insurance that thimble-headed gherkin carries on his steak knives. You know, in case those inherently dangerous objects get stolen and he’s responsible for someone getting shivved in the liver.

What a lackwit.

Its a VERY interesting point. Sure criminals shoot themselves with guns at a pretty good rate…still a very non-trivial amount of people are outright murdered with knives…a tool we ALL have around our kitchens and dining rooms, not to mention utility knives we all keep around.

Using his logic, shouldn’t we all have to pay for that as well?

Of course not, guns are different because he doesn’t OWN any guns! Guns are items owned by the mythical “Other”…you know, those inhuman brutes!

Its amazing that people will be 100% willing to spout Michael Bloomberg’s religious doctrine, yet have zero willingness to discuss it with anybody who might not agree with them.

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“Gun Death” Umbrazella!

We’ve seen them before! Umbrazellas are dangerous shit!!! We need to BAN THEM ALL!!!

A New York cab driver reportedly died when a passenger stabbed him in the eye with an umbrella during a robbery, sources said.

The New York Post reports that the cab driver continued to drive for about a block after being gored, ultimately crashing into two parked vehicles on Thomas S. Boyland Street in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn at about 5 p.m. Thursday.

Why would ANYBODY need an Umbrazella? People say “Too keep rain off”, but they’re obviously paranoid, as humans are waterproof, and nobody has EVER died from being rained on!

BAN THEM ALL TODAY!!!1111!!!

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Us Vs. Them

Looks like a Colorado Parade had hundreds of armed patriots standing up for their 2nd Amendment rights, and standing Against Michael Bloomberg’s attempt to annex Colorado.

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Open Carry PSH

This is quite the story of an open-carry arrest.

A man accused of causing a panic at a family fun center by carrying a semi-automatic rifle while walking nearby says he’s on a Second Amendment mission to educate the public about gun rights.

Mack Worley was arrested Saturday night in Southeast Vancouver. Police said he crossed the line when he decided to openly carry his gun on private property.

“I was breaking no law and I was arrested for trespassing on a public sidewalk,” said Worley. “Whether or not you agree with open carry of a firearm or not, it’s not illegal.”

Tuesday morning, Worley pleaded not guilty to a charge of trespassing with a weapon capable of producing bodily harm. Police said he first went to a Burgerville restaurant with a rifle slung over his shoulder. An employee called 911.

Vancouver police spokeswoman Kim Kapp said a security guard told Worley to leave and called police when he didn’t.

By the time police arrived, Kapp said Worley had walked to a fireworks stand in the Big Al’s parking lot. Employees closed the stand because they were worried about what Worley was up to. An employee at Big Al’s called 911 while the business went into lockdown.

Coffee barista Dominick Harris watched as panicked parents grabbed their children and ran into the restaurant while police officers swarmed around Worley.

“I saw this guy underneath this tree over there with hands up,” Harris said.

Officers took Worley’s rifle but returned it after they determined it was not stolen. Police said Worley was on private property, and when they stopped him they told him Big Al’s has a no-weapons policy unless the gun owner has a concealed weapons permit.

Worley refused to leave, according to police.

Agree or not with the message this guy was making, it appears no laws were broken, and no malevolent behavior was observed, but he was arrested anyway.

Good for them!

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Morning Junk Science

Nothing like some garbage science to start your day!

Here’s something that might be hard for moms to swallow: a recent study suggested that women who are thin give birth to children with higher I.Q.’s. Hm.

The report, which comes from the United Kingdom, says that children born to overweight mothers may score slightly lower on I.Q. tests than children with thinner mothers.

Another class that is the wrong side of the political spectrum. The Overweight. Let’s see that amazing result!

The results are startling: If mom was overweight prior to becoming pregnant, her child scored 1.5 points lower on the three tests. And if mom was obese prior to her pregnancy, scores were 3 points lower.

1.5 Points and 3 points! WOW! What does that even amount to? Even if these numbers were real, the differences are hardly “startling”, a better word is “imperceptible”. The difference between somebody with an IQ of 125 and 120 is barely measurable, and further can be completely obscured if the higher IQ person is complacent and unmotivated, and the lower one is well-read and has a curious nature.

Further the difference between the test groups is well within the margin of error for most excepted tests. Since I’m one of those curious types I used to take IQ tests from various sources to see how they compared. I was impressed to find that indeed the number it gave me was pretty close, and that was over several years of testing, and several different tests. Of course the Margin of error given for those tests was approximately +/- 5 points. This was around 20 years ago…and not surprisingly the tests haven’t changed that much.

The reasonable error around any reliable IQ is going to be plus or minus 5 or 6 points, to give you a 95 percent confidence interval. So, for example, if a person scores 126, then you can say with 95 percent confidence that the person’s true IQ is somewhere between 120 and 132; within our science we don’t get any more accurate than that.

But as soon as you go to a different IQ test, then the range is even wider, because different IQ tests measure slightly different things.

So they’re claiming a DIFFERENCE of 1.5 and 3 points that can only be measured with tests that have a margin of error of 5/6 points.

Now to be fair, I haven’t seen the data set, but if most of the participants measured lower, that COULD indicate a real trend…but the trend really can’t be relied on, as it could simply be an artifact of the test. Still, more likely the data set was a standard scatter-plot and they managed to fit a line in there to sell a point.

A similar graph can be seen here by Barron.

Overall we can claim that a good Brady Score means a more dangerous state…but really the numbers are irrelevant, and instead the most confident claim that can be made is “Gun Control Doesn’t Make You any Safer”.

The same claim I bet is “Your BMI has no impact on your child’s intelligence”.

of course these people have an agenda, which is more important than good ethical science!

h/t Mrs. Weer’d

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Really Interesting Ammo Video

Unfortunately the outcomes were bad but there were some REALLY interesting take-away points.

First up, I saw a red flag with using the Hornady LEVERevolution in a snub-nosed revolver. You see this ammo was actually designed to put spitzer-type bullets into tube-fed lever guns. You see since the rounds are end-to-end in a lever gun tube, a pointed spitzer bullet runs the risk of dimpling the primer of the round in front of it during recoil. This is why bread-and-butter lever-gun rounds like .30-30 WCF, .45-70 Government, .444 Marlin among others have fat, flat-point or round nose bullets seated, when similar rounds for bolt-action or semi-auto rifles, or lever guns that feed from a box magazine will generally have pointed bullets.

Generally when loading a handgun round for a rifle or carbine slower-burning powders can be used to get better velocity over the longer bore length. When you take a round like this and stick it in a short handgun, much of the powder might still be burning when the bullet leaves the bore, meaning all that powder energy is just making a muzzle flash rather than pushing a bullet.

But in this case those rounds are still going pretty fast.

Still despite this the round performance in the gel is VERY poor. That first round looks like it could almost be reloaded. The others are expanding less than the bargain-type JHP ammo you find.

Sad that the performance was that poor, especially in gel where the homogenous nature of the medium makes for textbook expansion that you might not see in living tissue.

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“Gun Death” Heels

Not the first time I’ve seen high heels used as a stabbing weapon:

A woman allegedly stabbed a 59-year-old man to death with a stiletto heel early Sunday morning at a Museum District condominium high-rise.

At about 4 a.m. Houston police responded to an assault in progress call at Parklane on 1701 Hermann Drive, said HPD spokesman Kese Smith.

Ana Trujillo, a 44-year-old woman, opened the door for police, who found the man’s body lying on the floor, Smith said.

Trujillo, whom police described as the man’s guest, now faces murder charges. The victim’s identity was not released.

High Heels are bad for your arches, frankly don’t make women look better in my expert opinion, and they KILL!!!! BAN THEM!

H/t Bob, Whipped Cream Difficulties and

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