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Just found this article over at US New’s “Debate Club”

Just a site where people can give their statements about gun control in the wake of the Colorado shooting.

What’s great is all the pro-gun rebuttals have positive ratings Gene Hoffman of Calguns with a Score of just shy of 300 at the time of this writing….and Josh Sugarmann of VPC with the low score of NEGATIVE 212 points. You can tell who’s pro gun and who’s not JUST by who has a positive score and who has a negative one.

This is really an impressively bad article:

Republican of Texas, recently suggested that if this incident had occurred in his state, where many citizens carry concealed weapons, the crazed shooter could have been quickly terminated. I wonder if the congressman considered the confusion and terror that occurs in a real-life firefight?

Then they cut to their “expert”:

I spent over 30 years as a police officer in the Chicago area, and I was required to carry a weapon both on and off duty….I’ve faced people with guns many times and arrested violent, armed offenders for such crimes as robbery and homicide. Although my gun often left its holster on those occasions, I am grateful that I never had to shoot anyone. I never lost sight of the responsibility of carrying a weapon. Despite what many people think, it’s not something to be taken lightly.

Well here we have a great example of places where guns are completely BANNED and carry isn’t allowed! Sounds like a lovely place for a vacation. We should make America ALL like Chicago!

The last shooting incident I was involved in happened at 3 in the morning on Dec. 26, 2010, my last Christmas before I retired. We responded to a report of two men arguing, one threatening to shoot the other. My radio blared, “Shots fired! Man with a gun.” When I reached one man, running in the darkness between two houses, he had already been shot by another officer. When the officer had ordered the man to stop and identify himself, the man had pointed a pistol at him. The officer ducked behind his car door and fired half the bullets in his Glock 21 before finally hitting the offender once in the left buttock. We eventually found the shooter’s silver semiautomatic deep in a snowdrift.

Why would you need a “hi-capacity” magazine!!! You think you’re going to war? Note this was one officer and one attacker. Turn the attackers from one to two (and who doesn’t have a buddy?) and suddenly our arguments are looking awful good!

llinois is the only state that does not allow ordinary citizens to carry concealed firearms. A few years back, I was visiting my father at the laundromat where he worked, when one of the regulars, who knew I was a cop, asked if I was “strapped.” When I said yes, he complained that he should have the right to carry a gun, too, since he was “a law-abiding citizen.” I’d heard this knucklehead spout off about minorities on numerous occasions and didn’t think he was a good candidate to be packing a weapon in public, though in many states, he could have been. The Trayvon Martin case shows the consequences of an untrained person with a gun. Police officers must go through psychological screening and a lot of training before they’re allowed to carry a weapon, and even then problems sometimes arise.

Nice Strawman! First, yeah the people who are law-abiding who want guns MUST be racist! (BTW who knows how true this account is), and then notice that this cop knows what everybody else is struggling with, he KNOWS that George Zimmerman is a murderer and totally incompetent. Man we should put ONE Chicago cop in every police station, because those dumb shits in Sanford PD spent weeks collecting forensic evidence, and interviewing Zimmerman and his neighbors, and they couldn’t find any evidence that it was a bad shoot. Of course the MEDIA did a lot of bad things like claiming that Zimmerman was a white man, and eluding to an elaborate foot chase where a scared little boy (supplying pictures that were likely a decade old), and claiming that Zimmerman was not injured. Of course all these lies did what they were intended to, and whipping up racial hatred, forcing an obviously political far-reaching charge and all sorts of changes of bail.

The suddenness and confusion of that moment points out the folly of the politician’s belief that an armed civilian could have easily taken out James Holmes. Imagine the scene: speakers blasting, larger-than-life heroes and villains on the screen, and suddenly real gunshots, a man in a gas mask firing one of three weapons — a shotgun, handgun and rifle, with extended magazines for extra ammo capacity — into the panicking crowd. Even a highly trained, armed police officer would have been caught off guard. Try adding a bunch of untrained, armed civilians into the mix — this type of intervention could have made things much worse.

12 people are dead, over 50 people were injured….I’m gonna call bullshit on that. Even if the defender accidentally shoots two innocent people dead, and maybe draws fire to himself…do you really think you can do that math, or are you justifying your bias?

Oh and this is sweet!

Michael A. Black, a retired police officer, is the author of “I Am Not a Cop,” with Richard Belzer, and the forthcoming book “Sacrificial Offerings.”

This Richard Belzer:

Now look, there’s talk of renewing the “Assault Weapons Ban”, but let’s face it, gun shops can’t keep black rifles in stock, and the majority of hand guns crossing the counter accept magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. There is a massive army of people who will NOT stand for their rights and their property being vilified.

Still Miguel and Thirdpower are starting a little Meme.

So here’s mine:

That’s my FAL, a few of my 20 round Israeli surplus magazines, and 900 rounds of Malaysian military ball ammo (which will defeat type IIIA or lighter ballistic vests…its not MADE to penetrate armor, that’s just the physics behind it) that I happened to have bought online.

No murder, no assault, no threats, not even ill temper. Hell even if somebody said “Hey I work for the CIA and if you want, I’ll let you murder anybody you want, so long as they’re not a diplomat or a VIP, and we can totally cover it up and you’ll never be traced to it!” I doubt I’d be very interested. Sure I could justify putting a bullet in the brain of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but that’s because I consider him a Hiter or a Pol Pot of our times, and killing him has the potential of saving thousands of lives. But there isn’t a person on the planet who I’d harm for selfish reasons, the people I don’t like I just don’t care about enough to want to burn any calories for their sake.

Maybe my rifle is defective?

Still I want to take another twist on this. Have a look at the three rifles in these posts. What’s the difference between them? Yeah Third and Miguel both have AK-pattern guns, and I have the (far superior) FAL pattern, but beside design and caliber? Well Miguel has a lot of black plastic on his gun, and his mags are 30-rounders while, Third is displaying that one fat drum, and my mags are 20 rounders.

DETAILS. All three guns are fixed-stock rifles. All have removable magazines, all have pistol grips, but Miguel’s is different, HIS has a bayonet lug.

Yep only Miguel’s is an “Assault Weapon” by the definition of the 1994 ban, which states that rifles must have at LEAST TWO selected features to be restricted. The pistol grip is one, but my barrel ends at a flat crown (so no flash suppressor, bayonet lug, or muzzle threads that are found on standard issue FALs), and Thirdpower’s rifle has had the bayonet lug ground off, and a nut welded to the muzzle threads.

And just to go further goofy, their guns are in 7.62×39….mine’s a .308 Winchester (which will eat 7.62×51 NATO). Mine’s a good bit more powerful than theirs, shooting a heavier bullet at a faster speed. But mine is also chambered in a very common hunting cartridge, and is VERY well suited for white-tailed deer so long as I use a 5 round mag to comply with sporting rules. Of course people often compare 7.62×39 with .30-30 Winchester, which is also a popular deer cartridge.

Oh and BTW this pink thing in Uncle’s hand, is both an “Assault Rifle”…but also a small girl’s .22 rifle. But a pistol grip, removable magazine, bayonet lug, muzzle threads, flash hider, and adjustable stock (which is a must for a child’s rifle as they grow quickly), makes it VERY solidly in the “Assault Weapon” camp.

Yeah, the .308 rifle (which BTW Miguel, Third, and My rifles are all built up from military surplus parts, and its likely that some part of all of our guns were in war zones fighting, meanwhile Uncle’s “Assault Rifle” was built just for the American sportsman and shooter) and one of the AK-47s aren’t assault rifles….but another nearly identical AK is an Assault rifle, as well as a kid’s .22.

Now this post has been rambling and covered a lot of ground and exposed a lot of stupidity, that was intentional.

Why is the definition of “Assault Weapons” so illogical and confusing? Simple because they were never after “Assault Rifles” in the first place. They’re after ALL GUNS, if they weren’t they could openly say what guns (and were talking make, model, caliber, and features, not just “We aren’t coming for your hunting rifle, or target gun!” as they are, because they’re after my hunting gun, and Uncle’s training rifle) are OK and what guns are bad, and WHY those guns are bad.

They are after your guns, if they weren’t why the confusion?