More stabbings
A man was found fatally stabbed outside in the Warehouse District of Minneapolis early Monday, and police are looking for who is responsible.
The attack occurred about 3:30 a.m. on 2nd Avenue N. near Washington Avenue, said Sgt. John Sullivan.
A dead man, but not a “Gun Death”. Why does anybody use the term “Gun Death”?
h/t Maddmedic
In discussing HR822 Countertop raises this interesting question.
What about Mass and Cali legal guns? If I visit Cali carrying my gun that’s not on their approved list, am I in violation of local law?
Jack points Countertop in the direction of The Story of Eleanor where I discuss the bullshit required to get an off-roster handgun in Massachusetts.
But if HR-822 becomes law then all you pistol packers will have Valid Massachusetts carry permits, and you might want to hang out at the Boston Aquarium with me, because fish are cool!
OK so first up the “Handgun Safety Roster” is NOT a “Gun Control” law, but a “Consumer Safety” law. It is not illegal to own, posses, carry, or use Off-Roster handguns in Massachusetts. The law ONLY applies to FFLs SELLING “Safe” guns to private citizens. The hard part of getting my PM45 was legally BUYING the gun, not actually GETTING the gun. Jay has a great story of getting a T&E S&W Bodyguard 38, only for his FFL to point out the gun wasn’t yet approved (BTW in the latest Roster update they are now legal for Massachusetts sale). The gun arrived at the FFL for transfer, and Jay was even allowed to handle it and take pictures, but the FFL couldn’t make the transfer.
Now IF the FFL had given the AG the finger, or assumed since S&W is a Massachusetts company and it was a T&E gun that it was OK for transfer, Jay could walk out of the store and the ONLY legal repercussions is the FFL could be fined for selling an off-roster gun.
Oh BTW fun-fact, if I decided I didn’t want to keep my PM45 anymore and decided to sell it at a local gun shop. They could BUY the gun, but could only SELL the gun to other FFLs (preferably out-of-state) or to a Law Enforcement officer, who of course exempt from such laws. Of course if I wanted to sell this gun I could easily sell it to another Massachusetts resident.
How the laws are currently written, if handguns were treated like long-guns when it came to interstate commerce I could simply cross over to New Hampshire and buy guns there and walk back and it would be 100% legal.
So when it comes to non Massachusetts residents legally carrying with a permit, you can carry ANY gun you want, barring that it does not have a post ’94 magazine holding more than 10 rounds, or that it was considered an “Assault Weapon” under the ’94 federal law.
Hopefully this law will pass so this isn’t just conjecture.
Linoge is hosting a fundraiser for Soldier’s Angels, There is a LOT of cool stuff over there. I’m chipping in, you should too!
Robb Smacks it out of the park here.
Look, the problem isn’t selling a gun to a stranger any more than selling a set of knives at a yard sale is. You have no clue that the nice lady offering you 76¢ for the old set of Wüsthof is planning on using them to slice & dice her rich husband, do you? Does the guy manning the convenience store have any clue if the young man filling up a gasoline can is going to use the liquid to fuel his lawnmower or to pour over the family he has tied up in his trailer? I cannot possibly find the time to inspect the minute details of everyone’s lives who I wish to do business with, nor is it healthy for any society to automatically assume every person they interact with is guilty of some sort of crime until we can prove their innocence.
When I was in college there were all sorts of parties where alcohol was served and not everybody was 21 (Another fool law, you’re either an adult or you’re not! But again “Anti-Freedom” not “Anti-Gun”) but hey the guy buying the booze showed his ID that showed HE was 21 buying 10 cases of Milwaukee’s Best with loose bills. (And BTW at least in the parties I attended the worst that happened were some HORRIBLE hangovers)
They didn’t background check me when I bought my new camera to verify I wasn’t a child pornographer.
Blah blah blah. Of course in Massachusetts all “private” sales must be logged with the state and both participants must present a valid FID/LTC, and oddly enough the criminal still get guns.
The antis say its because Maine and New Hampshire and Vermont aren’t anti-rights dumps and the guns come from the lax laws there….except there are no numbers to support that.
No matter what you feel ethically, or morally, the laws the Antis propose don’t work at all, so if we were to impose them everywhere else…or scrap them here and everywhere that bans ACTUAL private sale, the results would be the same.
Now if we actually PUNISHED people who not only abused guns, but abused VIOLENCE, maybe THEN we’d see some results. But that’s not the point, as Sebastian Says:
As I’ve said, there are a lot of solutions one could think of that would alleviate the concerns regarding background checks, but the other side doesn’t want to speak about them. Why? Because the true purpose of what they propose has nothing to do with background checks, and never has. They are more interested in tightening the de facto registration scheme that the 4473 represents than they are in expanding background checks.
And remember registration leads to Confiscation…with “Fair Market Value” of course!
Sebastian links this story on Black Friday:
Gun dealers flooded the FBI with background check requests for prospective buyers last Friday, smashing the single-day, all-time high by 32%, according to bureau records….The actual number of firearms sold last Friday is likely higher because multiple firearms can be included in a transaction by a single buyer. And the FBI does not track actual gun sales.
Awesome. But even more awesome was they got an opposition statement from Dennis Hennigan:
Dennis Henigan, acting president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said he was “skeptical” of the Black Friday gun surge.
“I think there may be no real signifcance at all,” Henigan said. “It’s possible that gun companies are just catching on to creating a Black Friday frenzy for themselves.”
Well with most of his lies, there is a grain of truth. Its no coincidence that this surge in NICS checks was on Black Friday. There were lots of good deals to be had, and most people had the day off work, why not buy a new gun?
But what exactly are you “Skeptical” of? Are you saying people were wandering into gun shops and filling out Form 4473s and then walking out without a gun? Are you saying FFLs are crank-calling NICS with fake 4473? Are you claiming that most of those people were denied their transfer because they were criminals? (BTW if that was true you’d think the FBI would mention it).
The bottom line was a HUGE number of people had a NICS check on Black Friday, and with each NICS at LEAST one firearm (tho with a day like that I’d imagine the number of multiple transfers is also up) was released into civilian hands.
As far as sales and deals on Black Friday, let’s look at the significance of that: This Christmas (December 25th…Which is the last Sunday in 2011) a bunch of people will receive as gifts their first firearm. Because it was the END of the year rather than the BEGINNING or MIDDLE how does this change the number of new gun owners in America?
Oh BTW one of the common arguments to the insignificance of NICS numbers is that that these are not “new gun owners” just gun owners buying MORE guns. Well that’s partly true, I’m always buying new guns, and just because I add another Mosin Nagant to my collection doesn’t really mean anything to the position of Anti-Rights people.
Still look concealed carry course. Look at club memberships. Look at the new faces at clubs. Hang out in a gun shop and listen to the shop keeper answering newbie questions. In Massachusetts where you need a permit to BUY a gun, look at those numbers.
One other anecdote. Look at your own collection. I used to buy a TON of guns every year. Why? Well I started out with NOTHING. I wanted to fill niches I didn’t have. Home Defense Gun, Carry gun, Backup Gun, Defensive Rifle, Long-Range rifle, Collector guns, .22 trainers. After a while you see a new gun on the market that doesn’t do anything better than guns you already have in the safe, you decide to just buy more ammo, take classes and log time on the range.
Nope, there are a lot of people joining the cause…and abandoning your cause, Dennis.
A lot of people are making great videos of Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich Flip-Flopping on the issues. Examples here, and here.
It all reminded me of this classic scene from one of the best westerns of all times, The Outlaw Josey Wales.
Of course in Hollywood the jerks get their own in the end…
Saw this video over at ENDO Mike’s
I used to recommend SIG Pistols HEAVILY, they were solid, built without unnecessary controls or failure points and generally enjoyable to shoot.
Steel-Cased ammo is dirty, inefficient and cheap. Its also built to the same standards as any safe ammo. I have several cases of steel-case ammo here in the armory…some of that stuff is what armed forces use or used in war.
If your gun won’t shoot steel ammo, that’s the gun’s fault, not the ammo.
Couple that with this
Maybe you should stay away from new-production SIGs until they work hard to convince us otherwise…
This puts a spin on the “Gun Death?” discussion.
A Jackson, Miss., police detective has been charged with felony child abuse following the death of a 1-year-old girl.
Those who use “Gun Death” always give exemptions to Police. Also whenever a police officer speaks out against civilian gun ownership their opinion is always presented as above question (it should be noted that the many police officer that are in favor of gun ownership and the right to keep and bear arms, they are universally ignored)
But here not only did this “Only One” kill a baby…but they did it in such a way that it didn’t count as a “Gun Death”.
I wonder what the antis would say about this one…not that they ever venture outside their echo chamber.
h/t Jay
Bob as a great post up of a Defensive Gun Use in Texas where a home owner repels a home invader with a Jennings 9mm pistol.
Now Jennings has a reputation of making “Junk Guns”, I own a Jennings J-22, and I’ll just say I won’t claim them to be high-quality pistols. That being said this attack was repelled with what appears to be a single shot fired. Even my beat-up .22 Jennings is good for a single-shot, and actually I can often get a few magazines through the gun without issue, given that it’s properly cleaned and lubricated.
Now for both my personal carry guns which I would consider “Mid-level” in price that little quip is horrible. Heck both my carry guns are currently dirty having ran a box of ammo through them the day after Thanksgiving. For my 1911 and my Kahr 20+ rounds is small potatoes, and I don’t feel compelled to clean and lube them unless they’ve ingested 200 or more rounds. Even then I’ve seen endurance challenges where lesser guns than these have eaten THOUSANDS of rounds with no maintenance.
That’s all well-and-good if I’m going to be fighting in the scrub of Afghanistan or clearing a tunnel bunker in Viet Nam, but I’m not, I work in a lab and come home to my armory every night. The only reason why I’ve been lugging around a pair of dirty guns all week is because I didn’t want to clean them, and the reliability of said guns doesn’t compel me to do otherwise.
That being said would my cheap Jennings that last got “Cleaned” by hosing the inside of the slide with WD40 and scrapping a bore brush down the bore, then a quick swab with a Q-tip. (I was struggling to pop the slide off and just said “Fuck it, it’s a Jennings!” and reached for the WD) Would it be able to rip off a few shots right now if I was in need? (I’m going to hit the range this weekend, I’ll bring it and see!)
I know for a fact I can get a round to chamber and fire, and I’m betting a few more without a jam. While not something I’d depend my life on, that’s a decent enough show of force to repel many attackers. More so if the Jennings you’re reaching for is in 9×19.
This is a topic I’ve talked about a lot, but I thought I’d have a little fun crowd-sourcing. What are some “Bargain Guns” that are inexpensive but of surprisingly good quality.
I’ll start you off. The CZ-82, Compact Double-stack pistol in 9x18mm. This pistol was nice but not great until recently when EVERYBODY started making quality defensive ammo for it like this stuff. So now you can have an all-steel 12+1 gun which you can generally get for under $300. Also if you prefer .380 Auto the CZ-83 is the civilain model in .380 Auto (Tho I will say that cheap 9×18 training ammo is easy to find, and quality defensive ammo isn’t unobtainable, plus the round IS slightly more powerful than .380, I prefer the 82)
Some other great deals are Kahr’s CM and CW lines like the CW9 and CM9, essentially Kahr cut some costs on their P and PM series guns so they could match up with competition. Overall the cost-saving measures aren’t things most people will miss, but you get all the quality that I’ve certainly grown to love of a Kahr. Also these are small, light, and powerful pistols in 9×19 and .40 S&W, so you aren’t skimping on power, nor are you buying a big bulky gun that may be difficult to carry.
While Hi-Points are cheap, ugly, and unrefined guns, and generally bulky and heavy for carry, one thing they seem to do well is run reliably. They aren’t great for carry, but not impossible, but certainly if you tucked one in your night stand it would certainly go “bang” when you needed it to if you kept it properly cleaned and lubed.
OK those are my primers. What are guns you would offer as the best quality for the cheapest buck?
What guns are inexpensive but you would NOT recommend?
Via John
I prefer a bit more of a logical approach than all the heart-string stuff…but then again I’m pro-rights. This reminds me of the photos by Oleg Volk who frequently mimics techniques from anti-freedom propaganda to push our pro-freedom agenda.
Most anti-rights people are emotional more than logical, so why not turn their heads with what they respond to?
