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And other anti-rights arguments. Twitter comments can be found here, here, and Here

**UPDATE** Sean
points out that the “Chuck Cravaack” is obviously a fake account. I missed the detail because I’m not from Minnesota. Joan missed the detail because she’s obviously stupid. Makes it even better IMHO -ed

Joan Peterson: “House passes H.R. 822. Shame on them. My own Rep. Chip Cravaack voted yes to allowing people who get permits in other states to carry in MN.”

Chip Cravaack:” @commongunsense You can kill with a bat or a car but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.”

Joan Peterson: “@ChuckCravaack Specious argument”

Or a great argument…but if you call it Specious maybe SOMEBODY really dumb will belive you.

Mr. Cravaack also links this page with this quote:

GUNS DON’T MAKE YOU A KILLER – Killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game. politics

Well played!

Wow, Tam unearths a relic of the Golden Age of Gun Control.

The Bush Administration today banned imports of semiautomatic assault rifles indefinitely, pending a review of whether the military-style weapons are being used for sporting purposes.

The step, announced by William J. Bennett, the director of national drug policy, is effective immediately and was taken after officials learned that requests this year from importers to bring in the weapons had already nearly tripled those for all of 1988.

“sporting purposes”! Because we know the 2nd Amendment was written about ducks and deer. I’m glad those days are over…tho sadly not over enough for somebody to reverse this shitty, and unconstitutional executive order.

Also Joe has a pile of quotes from the worst of the lot back in the day.

Thankfully we’re moving in the right direction, but we have a LOT of ground to cover.

I thought I’d trace through the web of lies of the antis and see if we can find a grain of truth. First I’ll start with HR 822. I’ll also pick on the Brady Campaign, because while they are probably the least relevant players these days, still they’ve been around longer than most so we can bounce around and still be talking about the same group of liars.

So Dennis Henigan the acting director of the Brady Campaign talks about his outrage of HR 822

This dreadful piece of legislation – which should be known as the “Packing Heat on Your Street Act” – would force states to recognize the concealed carry permits granted by other states, even if the gun carriers would be ineligible for a permit in the state where the carrying occurs. In fact, the version adopted by the House Judiciary majority last week would allow non-resident concealed carriers to pack heat in states where they were previously ineligible even to possess a gun. So much for states’ rights. Under H.R. 822, the Congress would prevent states from enforcing the restrictions they have deemed necessary for public safety against out-of-state gun carriers.

The operative term from this article is “So much for State’s Rights”. Hmmm Now let’s look at the Brady Campaign’s big accomplishments.
The Brady Bill: A Bill that requires a federal background check on all firearms sales. This was the precursor for the NICS check EVERYBODY has to do to buy a gun from an FFL. If your state thinks its people can be trusted to buy guns without a background check, tough. If your state sees no issue with Jeb’s hardware store selling guns without the need for a federal license. TOUGH.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban, yep a law that effected Texas as much as it did New York, and Massachusetts. States could be MORE restrictive if they wanted, but they couldn’t be LESS.

The NICS Improvement act, this was also backed by the NRA, but it effected the federal NICS check, and no, your state doesn’t get to “Opt Out”.

Long Gun Reporting This is not only illegal, but was done AGAINST the will of the states being forced to use it.

And from their website what they’re aiming to do. Banning Private Sales, they want to do this federally.
High Capacity Magazine bans, again, federal, not a state’s rights issue.
Adding the “Terror Watch List” to the NICS denial list, again if these laws go into effect states will have no ability to “Opt Out”.

So they’re talking “State’s Rights” but they really show no prior or current restraint on that issue.

Now Let’s roll back to their last HUGE loss. Heller Vs. DC. The Brady Campaign was on the side of Washington DC, can claimed the 2nd Amendment covered a “Collective Right” and not a right of the individual.

So what “Collective” has this right?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Well if it isn’t “The People” then it must be “The Militia”. But where is the Brady Campaign’s support for Militias? Were they against the Massacre on Ruby Ridge? Hell if the feds didn’t do everything in their power to cook up a case against the Weaver Family, they probably still would be peacefully living up on that mountain.

What about the Waco Massacre? Weren’t they just a citizen Militia, and their right to those aren’t shouldn’t have been questioned?

And today the Brady’s ally CSGV is running an “Insurrectionist Timeline” where all militia-type groups, or those who speak for a citizen militia as “Insurrectionists” and pointing fingers at them as if they’re somehow anti-American.

OK maybe they’re going out on a limb and claiming that the “Militia” spoken about is the “Standing Army” (which was openly discussed in the US Constitution and they aren’t the same…but I’ll play Devil’s Advocate, why not?).

Nope, they are also talking about disarming soldiers too.

So they’re for “State’s Rights”…but they’re known for backing FEDERAL legislation both currently and in the past. Hmmm Also they believed that the 2nd Amendment was a right of the “Collective” not the individual…but the “Collective” is neither a civilian Militia, nor the standing army.

So to the big question: Where is the truth?

The truth is they want to ban guns…and not just SOME guns, but ALL guns.

Is there any other viable solution to their goals?

Wow, I’m just floored by this Post. If you’re interested to see an anti-rights advocate in full meltdown you need to read that. Essentially the House passed HR 822 by a wide margin, so she’s decided to tell every anti-gun story she knows as if somehow that’s relevant. Here is but an except.

There is simply no other way to put this. The NRA and the gun rights extremists can be rude and unreasonable. Rude is hardly the word to describe some of the comments I have received here. They are downright obnoxious, inappropriate, and uncouth….There were a lot of claims about concealed carry permit holders and the inconvenience of not being able to carry their guns into every state in the nation. I’ll tell them about inconvenience. My family was inconvenienced when we had to plan a funeral for my sister, shot to death on an August day.

Huh? Your sister was murdered by a psychopath who was in-and-out of jail and subject to a restraining order, killed her at his home with illegally possessed guns. You talk about the press being at your sister’s funeral. The reason is because Russell Lund was a household name involved in many crimes and known for bizarre behavior and violent outbursts.

You somehow equate that (and your other stories) with the simple fact that my Massachusetts carry permit is one of the more difficult permits to get in the country, yet as soon as I cross the border into any of my neighboring states suddenly I can no longer legally carry there. Who’s the rude one? Your sister’s death has NOTHING to do with myself, the NRA, or anybody who supports gun rights. Meanwhile YOU knew your sister was married to an abusive and violent man and you allowed her to interact with him. That red stuff on your hands, Joan? Yeah that’s blood.

And of course she rattles off a bunch of other Joyce Foundation boiler plate, all of it irrelevant to everybody but here, and all of it having exactly ZERO to do with concealed carry.

At least Baldr had some sense to cite Concealed Carry killers (note another Joyce worker citing a Joyce study. The only reality they need is the reality they pay for!) But its already been exposed just how valid those numbers are.

Again, contact your Senators, if this is the best argument against this bill our opponents have, then we sure better do our best to make it pass the Senate as well.

Seems our favorite Joyce Foundation Shill, and Kung-Fu Panda has dropped a quote with some of the core philosophies of the anti-rights cult.

Just a quick correction: you have a right to self preservation, but not a constitutional right to carry a gun in public.

If it is that disconcerting to you that you feel you have to have a gun with you 24 hours a day while visiting a different state for the short time you’ll be there, then I’d say you are traveling to the wrong places. And there are always other, less-lethal weapons, that you don’t need a permit for.

First up, I’m amused that since Heller and McDonald only concerned themselves with the “To Keep” part of “To Keep and Bear Arms” part of the 2nd Amendment (not to mention the meaning of “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people…” bit too)that obviously the “And Bear Arms” part is meaningless…or maybe “Arms” in reference to “Keep” is drastically different than “Arms” meant to “Bear”. Don’t bother trying to get your mind to malfunction how Baldr’s does…just point and laugh, its easier and more consistent.

Now first up here’s an interesting note on HR822. Some close friends of mine lived outside of Philly. When factoring in taking the train to Boston, waiting in line, and waiting for our bags, it actually takes about the same amount of time to DRIVE to Philly as it does to fly there. Factor in the sexual advances of the TSA its a slam dunk. Now the fastest drive from here to Philly takes me from Massachusetts, through Connecticut, through New York, and while you can cut around New Jersey into Pennsylvania, its faster to hit the Jersey Turnpike. I’m licensed to carry in Massachusetts, and I’m licensed to carry in Pennsylvania. Now besides New Jersey’s idiotic ban on Hollow Point Ammunition, and taking into consideration that I don’t carry magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, what exactly makes it illegal for me to carry in those other states? Are the lethal force laws drastically different? (Hell are they drastically different ANYWHERE in the country…with the exception of Texas where you can kill somebody simply for committing felony theft…I have ZERO issue with this)

You’ll note that none of the antis address this as they bellyache over HR 822.

2nd “If it is that disconcerting to you that you feel you have to have a gun with you 24 hours a day while visiting a different state for the short time you’ll be there, then I’d say you are traveling to the wrong places.”??? So this implies two things. First you can know what a “Good” or a “Bad” place is. This also implies that those who are victims of violent crime and sexual assault could have seen it coming, and simply should have been more careful. The idea of saying “If you feel you need airbags and a safety belt, then maybe you’re driving on the wrong roads!” is pretty offensive.

Furthermore why should I tailor my life to avoid the most revolting members of society? I mentioned the other day I had business in Boston. First up Boston is infinitely more dangerous than my quiet little town. Second, the Occupy Boston group has shown itself to be a violent rabble bent on selling drugs, rioting, and raping. Was I to simply call off that business? I have family and friends who because of financial reasons don’t live in great neighborhoods, not only do the policies that the Joyce foundation champion leave THOSE people disarmed, but also those who just swing by visiting.

And last up is a bit that you hear form both sides. You’ll often hear some Metrocon attempting to play up their lackluster support for the 2nd Amendment mentioning licensing and registration. You see somebody has a gun in Illinois, in Massachusetts, in New York, in California, the cops will ask “Do you have a permit for this?” Most states the permit only works for if you’re CARRYING the gun loaded…often only if the gun is concealed. And the permit is for the PERSON, not for the gun, as there is no gun registration.

Of course Baldr is an anti-gun shill in Oregon which is pretty damn nice when it comes to gun ownership, and overall freedom. Here in Massachusetts, the most popular less lethal weapons, Electronic Stun Devices, and Pepper Spray are heavily restricted. The Stun Guns and Tasers are outright illegal here, and you can only posses pepper spray if you have a gun permit. Also while there is a Class D LTC that is $25, shall-issue and only covers chemical sprays, the whole legal classification of a tin of pepper as “Ammunition” means that if a college student gets jumped by a drunk frat boy, and she escapes sexual assault because she pepper sprays him…she’ll be expelled for carrying “ammunition” on campus.

Also some more oldschool less lethal devices like blackjacks, saps, collapsible batons, and brass knuckles are also illegal here…as well as most states that harass gun owners.

Heck even knives are heavily restricted here. I know I can’t carry my 2″ Ka-Bar TDI in North Carolina because its illegal to carry a fixed-blade knife. Most of my pocket knives are illegal in New York because their laws are just plain crazy calling all but the most basic buck folding knife a “Switch blade”. Also why do we give a shit about automatic knives like switchblades again?

Of course we’ve talked about Baldr’s fantasy world where being out-of-shape and taking some kung-fu lessons in a strip mall are all you need to protect yourself and your family.

Is there any wonder why their support is failing? Also HR 822 is on its way to the Senate, call your Senators…unfortunately mine called back.

Let’s see if we can pass this. If not for Freedom, to upset Jerks like Baldr!