I thought this little exchange was very typical of the antis. So Joan starts off with a discussion on how dangerous and horrible people who carry guns are.
Of course like most Anecdotal stories the antis use to incite horror. #1. Nobody was hurt and #2. Serious charges were leveled against the person abusing their rights.
When you have a scenario like that, where nobody is hurt but the person committing the crime there are only two possible observations about the relationship between the crime and the punishment. A) The law is just right, or B) The law is too strict. You can’t say the law is too lax, because the person getting “harmed” the most is the person being punished by the law.
In this case it sounds like a guy who picked a fight and was using a gun as a threat to get the person he picked a fight with in the first place to back down. These are VERY bad, and easily avoidable situations, so honestly I won’t lose much sleep over this guy.
Now the fun continues in the comments when Bryan Strawser points out the standard fact that as a population conceal carry permit holders commit crime at a lower rate than the general population. As a rule they commit crime at a lower rate than the police, and most certainly less than the population of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. Joan Responds to this with:
Ridiculous. Give me sources. We have gone around about this before. It is a totally stupid and irrelevant argument and not true.
So he does. Touche! Her response:
Good grief, Bryan. We’ve gone over this before. I am saying that permit holders are not who you guys have said they are. They are not all careful people. They have misused their guns many times and been involved in plenty of shootings. As to overall crime, they may not be more apt to be involved in more crime acts than non permit holders. But non permit holders aren’t carrying their guns around in public. Also, we don’t always get good figures on this stuff because laws have included keeping this stuff private. We often find out that a permit holder has done something wrong when it hits the papers and then it is revealed. You have totally missed my point. As to Mayors, we’ve gone over that before too. You guys just love that one but it’s not true. Try as you might you can’t convince the public that Mayors in MAIG have been involved in criminal activity. I am thinking of the ones I know in Minnesota. It is not true. And what’s the point of bringing that up? Just because you hate the mayors who have some common sense doesn’t mean you have to trash them and find them guilty of crimes.
LOL look at that straw-man presented. Bryan presents data of permit holders as a statistical body, while Joan presents the worst case incident she can find and projects that misdeed across the whole population. Oh BTW since a large number of gun control mayors have engaged in violent and felonious crimes we can’t paint the whole gun control movement with that.
Please don’t bother, Bryan. I’m done with you for now. We’ve gone over this before. It is not true and I won’t publish it. As I said, it’s time for you to do something else now.
Note this is a key player in the Brady Campaign nationally, and the number one anti-rights advocate in Minnesota who also uses a lot of her influence to make life miserable for the good people of Wisconsin.
I think its VERY important to get such reactions out of them so we can show the world how their side operates and let the people see if it matches how THEY see the world.
